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> Which would make sense if it was the EU's primary intention is to punish the UK for having the audacity to leave. No, why they have to start negotiations if

by Oletros 10y ago

> Which would make sense if it was the EU's primary intention is to punish the UK for having the audacity to leave. No, why they have to start negotiations if there is no change in the status quo. > If EU wants to be vindictive it can try but it probably will be economically damaging (both to the UK and the EU). That will only serve to give Farage-equivalent politicians in the EU enough ammunition to call for their own referendums and before you know it the EU is no more. How it is vindictive? Should the EU give the same deal the UK has right now? It seems that for some of you, not giving to UK all they ask is being vindictive.

crdoconnor 10y ago
>No, why they have to start negotiations if there is no change in the status quo. Because talk is cheap and uncertainty is expensive. >How it is vindictive? Insisting on article 50 being invoked before starting negotiations will trigger a massive amount of economic uncertainty (and possibly panic). This uncertainty will be worse for the UK but it will be very bad for the EU too. The EU is on tenterhooks even if it doesn't realize it. A wave of euroskeptic election wins in Europe could trigger cascading copycat leave referendums and ultimately the death of the EU. Its negotiating position really isn't as strong as it believes it is.
- bruceboughton 10y ago
  The EU's negotiating position is exactly as weak as it thinks it is and that is why it has to be so hard on us (Britain). The only negotiating position weaker is Britain's.
- Oletros 10y ago
  > Insisting on article 50 being invoked before starting negotiations will trigger a massive amount of economic uncertainty Then invoke the article 50 so the conversations can start. The ones triggering a massive amount of economic uncertainty are the ones that doesn't want to invoke the Article 50 As I said, some of you think that not giving all that UK wants is being vindictive.
peteretep 10y ago
> No, why they have to start > negotiations if there is no > change in the status quo. They shouldn't have to, but they will, because everyone will do better if the UK stays in due to some political compromise.
- Oletros 10y ago
  They EU gave the UK another compromise before the referendum. How many political compromises should the EU give UK?
  - peteretep 10y ago
    As many as make sense. These compromises aren't given out of the love in the heart of the EU to the Brits, they're given because they seem like a good idea by the people whose job it is to make that judgement.

by Oletros 10y ago

crdoconnor 10y ago

>No, why they have to start negotiations if there is no change in the status quo. Because talk is cheap and uncertainty is expensive. >How it is vindictive? Insisting on article 50 being invoked before starting negotiations will trigger a massive amount of economic uncertainty (and possibly panic). This uncertainty will be worse for the UK but it will be very bad for the EU too. The EU is on tenterhooks even if it doesn't realize it. A wave of euroskeptic election wins in Europe could trigger cascading copycat leave referendums and ultimately the death of the EU. Its negotiating position really isn't as strong as it believes it is.

bruceboughton 10y ago
The EU's negotiating position is exactly as weak as it thinks it is and that is why it has to be so hard on us (Britain). The only negotiating position weaker is Britain's.
Oletros 10y ago
> Insisting on article 50 being invoked before starting negotiations will trigger a massive amount of economic uncertainty Then invoke the article 50 so the conversations can start. The ones triggering a massive amount of economic uncertainty are the ones that doesn't want to invoke the Article 50 As I said, some of you think that not giving all that UK wants is being vindictive.

peteretep 10y ago

> No, why they have to start > negotiations if there is no > change in the status quo. They shouldn't have to, but they will, because everyone will do better if the UK stays in due to some political compromise.

Oletros 10y ago
They EU gave the UK another compromise before the referendum. How many political compromises should the EU give UK?
- peteretep 10y ago
  As many as make sense. These compromises aren't given out of the love in the heart of the EU to the Brits, they're given because they seem like a good idea by the people whose job it is to make that judgement.