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thank you for making a non-PC/non-SJW aligned post minor addendum: I do find it amusing that the mainstream mass media discourse does not seem capable of findi
by syngrog66 10y ago
thank you for making a non-PC/non-SJW aligned post
minor addendum: I do find it amusing that the mainstream mass media discourse does not seem capable of finding any nuanced intermediate point somewhere in between the two extremes of "all Muslims are evil" and "perhaps we should temporarily stop all rubber-stamp-approvals of immigration from Iraq/Syria/Afghanistan/SaudiArabia/etc/".
And I'd argue that, despite all his imperfections, Trump's stated position was more closely aligned with the latter than the former. Because... clearly, not all Muslims are evil. The vast majority, clearly by the data, are not evil in any objective sense. Yet, at the same time, by any reasonable adult human's perception there is clearly a phenomenon going on lately where a disproportionate number of humans are metaphorically going "Allah Akhabar!" before hitting their detonate button, whether that's for ISIS or Al Qaeda, etc. We should not discriminate against people purely based on the color of their skin, of course. At the same time, we the citizens of the USA don't somehow inherently "owe" anything else to any other random person in the world, we have not somehow explicitly victimized them by saying, for whatever reasons, "no, sorry, but right now we do not wish you, in particular, to come into our country." We have unemployed people here already, we have sick people here already, we have elderly, we have children, we have debts, we don't somehow inherently owe you anything or need you specifically.
- morgante 10y ago> rubber-stamp-approvals of immigration If you think that it's a rubber stamp approval for any Muslim from Iraq/Syria/Afghanistan then you need to get substantially more informed on the issues. I suspect you're in the very filter bubble you decry. Seek out some alternative viewpoints.
- cronjobber 10y ago> I suspect you're in the very filter bubble you decry Looks like filter bubble is going to be the next Dunning-Kruger. That's fine, both beat "oh, you're obviously projecting", if only for relative novelty value.
- qu4z-2 10y agoMy post wasn't intended to be aligned with any position; if it came across that way I need to get better at communicating. I was intending to point out that people in the opposite camp usually feel fairly similarly. The mass media discourse is, I suspect, bad at middle ground because it turns out reinforcing people's fear and biases sells well. And if it doesn't happen to be true, well, then you get free outrage clicks from everyone else. Even better! To misquote Pirates of the Caribbean: "Fox is the worst news channel I've ever watched!" "Ah, but you have watched it!"
- syngrog66 10y agogreat points, thanks for clarifying
- douche 10y agoGood lord, seeing the downvotes! I wish I could upvote x1000