4 ms·

I don't understand what it is you like about Australia and NZ if it's not the high standard of living and society created by laws. These would not be comfortabl

I don't understand what it is you like about Australia and NZ if it's not the high standard of living and society created by laws. These would not be comfortable places to live without them. If it's scenery or beaches you want maybe head to Vanuatu or something? You're just not really making sense. What is it about Australia you like over the US if not the society?

gravypod 10y ago
> I don't understand what it is you like about Australia and NZ if it's not the high standard of living and society created by laws. Well these are the things I like about your country and your neighboring country. - In NZ and Australia you get on average more sun coverage per year. This is good for energy costs as I like to use solar. - The people there speak English, so it is an easy place to move. - Land is cheap in NZ - The currency conversion is in my favor - Not many people live outside of Auckland (in Australia) and NZ has only a few densely populated areas. I'd not live there so people won't have easy access to bother me. Those are my reasons for considering to move there. I don't see how they "don't make sense". The laws are the only thing from stopping me from moving there. > What is it about Australia you like over the US if not the society? To answer that specifically, it's the ability to easily live outside of your or any society while not living in a place that is completely "lawless"
- Mandatum 10y ago
  > Not many people live outside of Auckland (in Australia) and NZ has only a few densely populated areas. Auckland is in New Zealand. > The land is cheap Sure, in the wops. Anywhere near a city is very expensive. I'd say on average land and housing (building materials especially) is far cheaper in the US.
  - gravypod 10y ago
    > Auckland is in New Zealand Well I guess it's good I'll be staying America. Gives me the right to being ignorant about geography! > Sure, in the wops. Anywhere near a city is very expensive. Great! I don't want to be next to a major city. Maybe a 2hr drive to a small town with a post office and a store or two. > I'd say on average land and housing (building materials especially) is far cheaper in the US. In some places yes, like in Alaska which is one of the main places I'm looking into moving to.
- cylinder 10y ago
  Fair enough. But if you want sun, America has plenty of it; there's tropical Florida, mediterranean California, desert Arizona and cold yet sunny Colorado. If you buy a ranch somewhere in Montana or a piece of land in Appalachia, you can pretty much disappear from the radar and won't be bothered much by the government.
  - gravypod 10y ago
    You mention Florida, California, Arizona, and Colorado. The only two acceptable places from that list (that don't have absolutely loony laws in my opinion) are Florida and Arizona. California is one of the worst places in the world for firearms ownership. Colorado has those silly magazine capacity bans. For anything remote with a decent amount of land (~5 acre) you'll easily pay >50k in Arizona. You won't find of anything like that in Florida. So that leaves Arizona and unfortunately I'd rather not cook while sitting on a tar road. It's just crazy hot. I'd much rather look into a place like Alaska (which is currently the most obvious place for me to look into moving). That's my current "plan" for when I'm finally going to retire..... First things first, I'm going to try and get through college! But in general, yes I already know of a great in United States place to go: Alaska. That being said all of my life training up from now has told me something about planning. Being in an "engineering" field I live by "one is none, two is one" and not having a backup plan for if something goes wrong with (all of) Alaska... it just seems wrong to me. That's why I wish that there were more places like that. I feel really sick to the core without a fallback.

gravypod 10y ago

> I don't understand what it is you like about Australia and NZ if it's not the high standard of living and society created by laws. Well these are the things I like about your country and your neighboring country. - In NZ and Australia you get on average more sun coverage per year. This is good for energy costs as I like to use solar. - The people there speak English, so it is an easy place to move. - Land is cheap in NZ - The currency conversion is in my favor - Not many people live outside of Auckland (in Australia) and NZ has only a few densely populated areas. I'd not live there so people won't have easy access to bother me. Those are my reasons for considering to move there. I don't see how they "don't make sense". The laws are the only thing from stopping me from moving there. > What is it about Australia you like over the US if not the society? To answer that specifically, it's the ability to easily live outside of your or any society while not living in a place that is completely "lawless"

Mandatum 10y ago
> Not many people live outside of Auckland (in Australia) and NZ has only a few densely populated areas. Auckland is in New Zealand. > The land is cheap Sure, in the wops. Anywhere near a city is very expensive. I'd say on average land and housing (building materials especially) is far cheaper in the US.
- gravypod 10y ago
  > Auckland is in New Zealand Well I guess it's good I'll be staying America. Gives me the right to being ignorant about geography! > Sure, in the wops. Anywhere near a city is very expensive. Great! I don't want to be next to a major city. Maybe a 2hr drive to a small town with a post office and a store or two. > I'd say on average land and housing (building materials especially) is far cheaper in the US. In some places yes, like in Alaska which is one of the main places I'm looking into moving to.
cylinder 10y ago
Fair enough. But if you want sun, America has plenty of it; there's tropical Florida, mediterranean California, desert Arizona and cold yet sunny Colorado. If you buy a ranch somewhere in Montana or a piece of land in Appalachia, you can pretty much disappear from the radar and won't be bothered much by the government.
- gravypod 10y ago
  You mention Florida, California, Arizona, and Colorado. The only two acceptable places from that list (that don't have absolutely loony laws in my opinion) are Florida and Arizona. California is one of the worst places in the world for firearms ownership. Colorado has those silly magazine capacity bans. For anything remote with a decent amount of land (~5 acre) you'll easily pay >50k in Arizona. You won't find of anything like that in Florida. So that leaves Arizona and unfortunately I'd rather not cook while sitting on a tar road. It's just crazy hot. I'd much rather look into a place like Alaska (which is currently the most obvious place for me to look into moving). That's my current "plan" for when I'm finally going to retire..... First things first, I'm going to try and get through college! But in general, yes I already know of a great in United States place to go: Alaska. That being said all of my life training up from now has told me something about planning. Being in an "engineering" field I live by "one is none, two is one" and not having a backup plan for if something goes wrong with (all of) Alaska... it just seems wrong to me. That's why I wish that there were more places like that. I feel really sick to the core without a fallback.