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Maybe, or maybe Tesla wisely shipped an MVP and Google allowed the perfect to be the enemy of thr shippable. Project those data numbers forward, do you really

Maybe, or maybe Tesla wisely shipped an MVP and Google allowed the perfect to be the enemy of thr shippable. Project those data numbers forward, do you really think Google can maintain a technology lead with such a disparity? Maybe they can, but it's a reasonable question.

JshWright 10y ago
Google could build a car tomorrow that does what Tesla does. They are far from revolutionary in what they are doing... Things like auto braking and lane maintaining are pretty much standard at the price point of the Model S, they are by no means unique to Tesla. Tesla is implementing existing technology. Google is working on solving the next problem.
- paulsutter 10y ago
  Yes and Google hasn't shipped jack. EDIT: Tesla has.
  - JshWright 10y ago
    Neither has anyone else... What's your point? EDIT: No, they haven't... They have shipped industry standard driver assist features. By your logic, I assume you think my Kia Rondo has 'outshipped' Google, since it has cruise control.
  - Joof 10y ago
    Doesn't matter. Tesla shipped a deadly and broken technology. That Google won't do the same is good. Google isn't a car company, they don't need to ship a car. They need to ship a working AI.
semi-extrinsic 10y ago
A much better question is whether Tesla will be able to keep up with the new autonomous features that everyone else are doing. The new Mercedes E-class is the first to be approved as an autonomous car in Nevada, so they do have a technical edge on Tesla already. And with next years S-class, they'll start putting LIDAR on their cars. This isn't even on Tesla's roadmap. It's beginning to look like Tesla saw there was a niche where existing hardware they could license would quickly give them a more "advanced" "Autopilot" system simply by being less conservative wrt. safety than other carmakers. Will this come back to bite them? Time will tell.
Piskvorrr 10y ago
"Wisely shipped an MVP that accidentally crashes in corner cases," is that what you're saying? Because, unlike most software, people actually die in this kind of crash (Remember Therac-25? Of course not: way before agile development and MVP, ooold, booooring). Still insisting that it's wise? I would consider that position repulsive: never mind the corpses, we have a product to ship.
pikzen 10y ago
You don't "wisely ship an MVP" when lives are at stake.
- Piskvorrr 10y ago
  Depends on the middle part: is "move fast and kill people" viable? We'll see. (Which is to say, viable from a PR perspective: people are still scared of flying compared to manual car driving, despite the odds; I'm willing to take a wild guess and say that non-assisted driving is more dangerous than assisted driving, yet considered safer-because-familiar)

JshWright 10y ago

Google could build a car tomorrow that does what Tesla does. They are far from revolutionary in what they are doing... Things like auto braking and lane maintaining are pretty much standard at the price point of the Model S, they are by no means unique to Tesla. Tesla is implementing existing technology. Google is working on solving the next problem.

paulsutter 10y ago
Yes and Google hasn't shipped jack. EDIT: Tesla has.
- JshWright 10y ago
  Neither has anyone else... What's your point? EDIT: No, they haven't... They have shipped industry standard driver assist features. By your logic, I assume you think my Kia Rondo has 'outshipped' Google, since it has cruise control.
- Joof 10y ago
  Doesn't matter. Tesla shipped a deadly and broken technology. That Google won't do the same is good. Google isn't a car company, they don't need to ship a car. They need to ship a working AI.

semi-extrinsic 10y ago

A much better question is whether Tesla will be able to keep up with the new autonomous features that everyone else are doing. The new Mercedes E-class is the first to be approved as an autonomous car in Nevada, so they do have a technical edge on Tesla already. And with next years S-class, they'll start putting LIDAR on their cars. This isn't even on Tesla's roadmap. It's beginning to look like Tesla saw there was a niche where existing hardware they could license would quickly give them a more "advanced" "Autopilot" system simply by being less conservative wrt. safety than other carmakers. Will this come back to bite them? Time will tell.

Piskvorrr 10y ago

"Wisely shipped an MVP that accidentally crashes in corner cases," is that what you're saying? Because, unlike most software, people actually die in this kind of crash (Remember Therac-25? Of course not: way before agile development and MVP, ooold, booooring). Still insisting that it's wise? I would consider that position repulsive: never mind the corpses, we have a product to ship.

pikzen 10y ago

You don't "wisely ship an MVP" when lives are at stake.

Piskvorrr 10y ago
Depends on the middle part: is "move fast and kill people" viable? We'll see. (Which is to say, viable from a PR perspective: people are still scared of flying compared to manual car driving, despite the odds; I'm willing to take a wild guess and say that non-assisted driving is more dangerous than assisted driving, yet considered safer-because-familiar)