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Congratulations!! Oh, another note: Looks like you know very little about India. Disclaimer: Indian, IT consultant.

by selvakn 10y ago

Manishearth 10y ago
He provided his experiences, you can't discount those. Your experiences may be more pleasant, but that doesn't mean he is wrong. I can say that I know others who have been through similar experiences.
- aub3bhat 10y ago
  His Experience is entirely a prejudiced monologue. If you read it, its all about what he thinks that the other guy is thinking. Thats not an experience thats racism.
  - Manishearth 10y ago
    I suspect he has experienced it often enough to know what is going on, he just didn't provide the full facts of why he thought so, which is understandable since that's not the subject of the article. I've been living in India for nearly a decade now. Casteism and religion-ism are very non-obvious to those unaffected (or positivrly affected) by it, but spend enough time outside your bubble and you start realizing that it exists often in an undercurrent and start recognizing situations like the one he talks of for what they really are. I've seen far more overt versions of his anecdote play out; I have no trouble believing him there.
    - Ar-Curunir 10y ago
      India has the second largest Muslim population in the world; it's unlikely that whatever tone he inferred was from being Muslim. More likely is the case that the passport control person saw the British passport and commented on that. Moreover to state that the immigration officer inferred him speaking English as a sign of class is in itself racist; English is one of the official languages of the country, plenty of Indians speak very fluent English.
    - gammaray9 10y ago
      Having lived in the deep south, I found racism very obvious to those affected and unaffected by it. Never seen anything like that in India which moderates societal differences to a very high degree.
- gammaray9 10y ago
  His name Aatish means fire or fireworks in Hindi. Surprisingly he does not explain that in the article. Given recent history of blasts in India from uninvited visitors, why should Indians not want their consulate services to inquire about people's backgrounds and intentions ?
- Ar-Curunir 10y ago
  India has the second largest Muslim population in the world. It is highly unlikely that whatever tone he inferred was from being not Hindu. Most likely it was just from his British passport.
  - Manishearth 10y ago
    A population which to a large degree is often found clustered in separate communities (as the case for many minorities in other countries) and generally segregated, even if not by intention. Coming across a Muslim can be an oddity in many localities. There are a lot of communal tensions still being harbored by people today. I have repeatedly heard the phrase "सब पाकिस्तान से हैं" (they are all from Pakistan) being used derogatively to describe Indian Muslims, amongst other similar things (that one sticks out to me because I've heard it way too often) It is possible that the reasons are not what the author thought they were. But it is pretty likely that they were, and I'm suggesting we give the author the benefit of the doubt in that he had valid reasons and prior similar experiences to feel that way. It is very easy to discount an experience when your bubble makes you think it is impossible. For many years I didn't think casteism was a thing anymore in cities, since I never saw it happening. Over time I realized that it is still very much there, just that those not negatively affected by it tend to not notice it.
    - Ar-Curunir 10y ago
      I don't think I've lived in an Muslim-discrimnation-free bubble; I've grown up in the Middle East, and if there's one place you'll hear about antiMuslim going-ons, it's there. And from my position, Muslims in India have it pretty fucking good. In what world can people like this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asaduddin_Owaisi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asaduddin_Owaisi get away with being spewing divisive bullshit, and then call for action against Muslim discrimination and for reservations for Muslims? Muslims have their own penal code! Up until the BJP rule, legislation was in favour of Muslims, at the expense of togetherness of society. In India Muslims have a pretty powerful political position given the fact that they are a minority. I somehow am disinclined to believe that the author suffered any actual discrimination given the political clime in India.
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Congratulations!! Oh, another note: Looks like you know very little about India. Disclaimer: Indian, IT consultant.

by selvakn 10y ago

Congratulations!! Oh, another note: Looks like you know very little about India. Disclaimer: Indian, IT consultant.

He provided his experiences, you can't discount those. Your experiences may be more pleasant, but that doesn't mean he is wrong. I can say that I know others who have been through similar experiences.

aub3bhat 10y ago
His Experience is entirely a prejudiced monologue. If you read it, its all about what he thinks that the other guy is thinking. Thats not an experience thats racism.
- Manishearth 10y ago
  I suspect he has experienced it often enough to know what is going on, he just didn't provide the full facts of why he thought so, which is understandable since that's not the subject of the article. I've been living in India for nearly a decade now. Casteism and religion-ism are very non-obvious to those unaffected (or positivrly affected) by it, but spend enough time outside your bubble and you start realizing that it exists often in an undercurrent and start recognizing situations like the one he talks of for what they really are. I've seen far more overt versions of his anecdote play out; I have no trouble believing him there.
  - Ar-Curunir 10y ago
    India has the second largest Muslim population in the world; it's unlikely that whatever tone he inferred was from being Muslim. More likely is the case that the passport control person saw the British passport and commented on that. Moreover to state that the immigration officer inferred him speaking English as a sign of class is in itself racist; English is one of the official languages of the country, plenty of Indians speak very fluent English.
  - gammaray9 10y ago
    Having lived in the deep south, I found racism very obvious to those affected and unaffected by it. Never seen anything like that in India which moderates societal differences to a very high degree.
gammaray9 10y ago
His name Aatish means fire or fireworks in Hindi. Surprisingly he does not explain that in the article. Given recent history of blasts in India from uninvited visitors, why should Indians not want their consulate services to inquire about people's backgrounds and intentions ?
Ar-Curunir 10y ago
India has the second largest Muslim population in the world. It is highly unlikely that whatever tone he inferred was from being not Hindu. Most likely it was just from his British passport.
- Manishearth 10y ago
  A population which to a large degree is often found clustered in separate communities (as the case for many minorities in other countries) and generally segregated, even if not by intention. Coming across a Muslim can be an oddity in many localities. There are a lot of communal tensions still being harbored by people today. I have repeatedly heard the phrase "सब पाकिस्तान से हैं" (they are all from Pakistan) being used derogatively to describe Indian Muslims, amongst other similar things (that one sticks out to me because I've heard it way too often) It is possible that the reasons are not what the author thought they were. But it is pretty likely that they were, and I'm suggesting we give the author the benefit of the doubt in that he had valid reasons and prior similar experiences to feel that way. It is very easy to discount an experience when your bubble makes you think it is impossible. For many years I didn't think casteism was a thing anymore in cities, since I never saw it happening. Over time I realized that it is still very much there, just that those not negatively affected by it tend to not notice it.
  - Ar-Curunir 10y ago
    I don't think I've lived in an Muslim-discrimnation-free bubble; I've grown up in the Middle East, and if there's one place you'll hear about antiMuslim going-ons, it's there. And from my position, Muslims in India have it pretty fucking good. In what world can people like this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asaduddin_Owaisi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asaduddin_Owaisi get away with being spewing divisive bullshit, and then call for action against Muslim discrimination and for reservations for Muslims? Muslims have their own penal code! Up until the BJP rule, legislation was in favour of Muslims, at the expense of togetherness of society. In India Muslims have a pretty powerful political position given the fact that they are a minority. I somehow am disinclined to believe that the author suffered any actual discrimination given the political clime in India.

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