Exactly :D edit: adding actual explanation I don't think I subscribe to the idea the that we need to instrument everything to collect data for eventual ML (es

Exactly :D edit: adding actual explanation I don't think I subscribe to the idea the that we need to instrument everything to collect data for eventual ML (especially if that data is going to be privately owned). I can see why that would be appealing especially if you are a large software company involved with ads. If there really is a killer ML model for a particular IoT device then let me opt in/out and the data collecting can be anonymous, no login required. Being online should not be required for its function. edit 2: realized I did not address the point on updates Self updating devices I am more on the fence about. Ideally I would have some control over what is getting updated and when and the ability to revert things and schedule the updates. It would also be great if these devices used ssl and signatures for updates. There are horror stories of them opening up tftp and using http in the clear. If this is too hard for IoT makers get right maybe hubs are the way to go? Not sure but the fewer things phoning home via the internet on my network the better I guess.