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...and then we'll all take a look at the animal kingdom and see that Chimps and Dolphins and all sorts of species treat each other - and other species - with in
by 6stringmerc 10y ago
...and then we'll all take a look at the animal kingdom and see that Chimps and Dolphins and all sorts of species treat each other - and other species - with innate brutality, and realize this planet is simply one giant cage match.
- rokosbasilisk 10y agoIf animals are more intelligent then we think, it really puts the chimp and dolphin behavior in a new light.
- Pxtl 10y agoWe have the technology and wealth to be more ethical than callous nature, we just choose not to be.
- nilved 10y agoWho is to say that callousness is more or less ethical?
- danharaj 10y agoNature is inhuman, not in the sense that it is cruel but that it is devoid of human characteristics. Nature is neither tender nor callous, those are human traits. Nature is not unethical or ethical, ethics is for humans. It is interesting to ponder what the nature of other animals is; discover what possibilities we have in common with them. That doesn't change that humans are capable of self examination and choosing between cruelty and tenderness, empathy and callousness.
- Pxtl 10y agoCallous as in "indifferent to suffering". That seems a fair description of nature.
- danharaj 10y agoThere is a difference between being unconcerned when it is possible to be concerned and being unconcerned because concern is not a characteristic of its being. Indifference/difference is to nature what north and south are to the Sun: logically ill-formed. There is no boundary between nature and other things, nature is all encompassing. There is nothing in nature that can be indifferent because nature can't be different from anything.
- thevardanian 10y ago..and then we'll take a look at each other and realize that perhaps we humans have choice to act humanely, or to act no differently and start a cage fight on a global scale. The latter is true today anyways. The point isn't how they treat each other necessarily, but how we treat them in light of the knowledge of their "individual" characteristics, not unlike human beings. So we humans then extend the gift of life to other species. Those animals treat each other as a matter of survival, is it necessary for us to do the same?
- Amezarak 10y agoMany animals kill not just for survival but for play and sport. Any cat owner has observed this behavior.
- MrBra 10y agomaybe because a cat can't afford to go to school and study for their future job?
- projektir 10y agoTo be fair, that probably evolved to train and further facilitate survival in the long term. But, yes, animals often produce suffering. In fact, they've been doing it for a while before we got here. But animals are largely doing it out of instinct, not because they've reasoned out and concluded that it was the "right" thing to do.
- Amezarak 10y agoIn my experience, the vast majority of human reasoning can be assigned into two categories: a) that which justifies doing as their instincts say and b) that which justifies acting in their interest as determined by their instincts. Humans are animals. We happen to possess an extraordinarily tool for abstract reasoning. That tool is mostly used for rationalization and not as an oracle of truth. We are all creatures of biology. Most everything we do is about getting food, shelter, performing sexual displays, and various forms of social signalling and jockeying.
- MrBra 10y ago...and then we'll all realize that among self-conscious species humans have the most developed cognitive system, yet some of us still try to imply that this has nothing to do with ethicality so they can feel justified to not having to feel accountable for their actions more than how the other species do.
- zedadex 10y ago> one giant cage match Sounds like we could use some rats