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So the 1070 is the no-brainer choice in this price range. A single card is always better than XFire/SLI, and you have the option to move to 2x1070s if you need

by STRML 10y ago

So the 1070 is the no-brainer choice in this price range. A single card is always better than XFire/SLI, and you have the option to move to 2x1070s if you need the boost. SLI scaling on the 10xx series has been really impressive.

StavrosK 10y ago
Is that a good card? I saw an article linked somewhere from this post that I can't find now, but it said that things are about to get very good for graphics card purchases. I'm not sure if the article was old and things have gotten better. I'm basically wondering what I should replace my current card with (I run Linux and play a few games like rocket league).
- jsheard 10y ago
  The GTX 1070 is good value for the performance you get but it's overkill for games like Rocket League - apparently it pushes over 220fps at 1080p and max settings. You may want to wait a few weeks for the GTX 1060. http://videocardz.com/61753/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-specifications-leaked-faster-than-rx-480 http://videocardz.com/61753/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-specific...
- PascLeRasc 10y ago
  You can get used 970s for about $200 now
  - speeder 10y ago
    You can get new 970 for slightly more than that... I regret buying a 380x instead. AMD drivers have serious bugs (that also affect the 480!) that they promised to fix a year ago, but not only they didn't fixed it, they also removed it from the "known issues" list on the changelogs. This was my first AMD purchase and will be my last, their hardware is mediocre (super power hungry and throttles because of that), software is outright terrible, and support from both them and Sapphire is nonexistent. And when I asked for help on forums and chats, people accused me of being nvidia paid troll and even banned me. (And someone later pointed out to me that the places that most aggressively attacked me are the ones that have AMD employees as moderators)
    - pierrebai 10y ago
      It's always best to have specific facts when making claims. 1. Which game and which issue would that be? 2. Which driver removed it from the known issue list?
      - speeder 10y ago
        The most infamous issue is nicknamed "black screen" google it and you will find tons of people complaining. And I had problems with every single software, thus why I don't considered mentioning specifics. Still, some examples: CAD software stutters heavily because the card refuset to get out of idle state unless I am gaming, regardlesst of all power saving related settings. Gtav was unplayable on most Crimson drivers, it works in the 16.6.1 but still has the occasional stutter due to power throttling. Default fan profile is terrible, launching any AAA game without third party fan software makes the card overheat, release pcb varnish smell and make coil noise. On default power limit the card throttles a lot and cause game stutter (all of them) The CCCSlim panel on Crimson didn't let me use it because according to it I had multiple monitors with genlock enabled. I was using a single monitor, and genlock is a FirePro feature. Driver crash a lot. A easy one to reproduce is entering the ingame herb encyclopedia on Shadow of Mordor. Lastest drivers Mantle is buggy (known issues list), vulkan is also crappily implemented despite being AMD invention. Browsers flicker on some driver versions for no obvious reason.
    - eropple 10y ago
      > their hardware is mediocre It also seems like RX 480s also overdraw the PCIe bus (drawing more than 75W from the slot--cards are supposed to be able to pull 75W from the slot, 75W from the six-pin connector, and 150W from the eight-pin connector), which is potentially dangerous for the rest of your hardware, too. I went from being a steady AMD/ATI customer (last card was an HD4870) to a 980Ti and don't see myself going back anytime soon.
      - jsheard 10y ago
        More on the PCI-E slot overdraw: http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Power-Consumption-Concerns-Radeon-RX-480 http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Power-Consumptio... It's concerning at stock settings but gets far worse when the card is overclocked, with the card overloading the 12V pins by about 50%. AMD say they are working on a driver fix at least.
- jon-wood 10y ago
  For that sort of thing you'd be fine with the previous generation of graphics cards, I've got a Radeon R7 series, it's quite happy running most things with the settings turned up and costs a fraction of a high end card.
cm3 10y ago
But Nvidia's crippled SLI with the 10xx launch and declared many scenarios unsupported or not working. It's a little unclear right now because Nvidia isn't communicating it properly, but what used to work and was supported is not as it stands right now.
- jsheard 10y ago
  They've clarified the situation now. 2-way SLI continues to work as normal, but 3-way and 4-way SLI are no longer supported with the exception of certain whitelisted benchmarking apps (for the sake of people trying to set world records). 3/4-way SLI never worked particularly well in practice so it's not a great loss.
  - cm3 10y ago
    Glad to hear they clarified it, but does it mean that 4 cards cannot be used for non-SLI loads like machine learning? I hope not.
    - jsheard 10y ago
      Non-SLI setups are unaffected, you can still use as many cards as will fit in your motherboard. They deprecated 3/4-way SLI due to the difficulty of implicitly splitting the workload in the driver, but with non-SLI setups for CUDA/OpenCL the load-splitting is done explicitly by the application so it's not their problem.
      - cm3 10y ago
        Does that mean SLI/Crossfire is not required when using Vulkan or DX12 (or Metal) and applications can saturate all cards if they want to? Isn't there a delay if you don't use Nvidia's bridge connector?
        jsheard 10y ago
        Yep, it's possible to do multi-GPU without SLI/CF in DX12 _if_ the game engine goes out of its way handle all the workloads explicitly. http://www.anandtech.com/show/10067/ashes-of-the-singularity-revisited-beta/4 http://www.anandtech.com/show/10067/ashes-of-the-singularity... I don't expect many developers to actually use this functionality though - it's a lot of work to only benefit a tiny minority of users.

by STRML 10y ago

StavrosK 10y ago

Is that a good card? I saw an article linked somewhere from this post that I can't find now, but it said that things are about to get very good for graphics card purchases. I'm not sure if the article was old and things have gotten better. I'm basically wondering what I should replace my current card with (I run Linux and play a few games like rocket league).

jsheard 10y ago
The GTX 1070 is good value for the performance you get but it's overkill for games like Rocket League - apparently it pushes over 220fps at 1080p and max settings. You may want to wait a few weeks for the GTX 1060. http://videocardz.com/61753/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-specifications-leaked-faster-than-rx-480 http://videocardz.com/61753/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-specific...
PascLeRasc 10y ago
You can get used 970s for about $200 now
- speeder 10y ago
  You can get new 970 for slightly more than that... I regret buying a 380x instead. AMD drivers have serious bugs (that also affect the 480!) that they promised to fix a year ago, but not only they didn't fixed it, they also removed it from the "known issues" list on the changelogs. This was my first AMD purchase and will be my last, their hardware is mediocre (super power hungry and throttles because of that), software is outright terrible, and support from both them and Sapphire is nonexistent. And when I asked for help on forums and chats, people accused me of being nvidia paid troll and even banned me. (And someone later pointed out to me that the places that most aggressively attacked me are the ones that have AMD employees as moderators)
  - pierrebai 10y ago
    It's always best to have specific facts when making claims. 1. Which game and which issue would that be? 2. Which driver removed it from the known issue list?
    - speeder 10y ago
      The most infamous issue is nicknamed "black screen" google it and you will find tons of people complaining. And I had problems with every single software, thus why I don't considered mentioning specifics. Still, some examples: CAD software stutters heavily because the card refuset to get out of idle state unless I am gaming, regardlesst of all power saving related settings. Gtav was unplayable on most Crimson drivers, it works in the 16.6.1 but still has the occasional stutter due to power throttling. Default fan profile is terrible, launching any AAA game without third party fan software makes the card overheat, release pcb varnish smell and make coil noise. On default power limit the card throttles a lot and cause game stutter (all of them) The CCCSlim panel on Crimson didn't let me use it because according to it I had multiple monitors with genlock enabled. I was using a single monitor, and genlock is a FirePro feature. Driver crash a lot. A easy one to reproduce is entering the ingame herb encyclopedia on Shadow of Mordor. Lastest drivers Mantle is buggy (known issues list), vulkan is also crappily implemented despite being AMD invention. Browsers flicker on some driver versions for no obvious reason.
  - eropple 10y ago
    > their hardware is mediocre It also seems like RX 480s also overdraw the PCIe bus (drawing more than 75W from the slot--cards are supposed to be able to pull 75W from the slot, 75W from the six-pin connector, and 150W from the eight-pin connector), which is potentially dangerous for the rest of your hardware, too. I went from being a steady AMD/ATI customer (last card was an HD4870) to a 980Ti and don't see myself going back anytime soon.
    - jsheard 10y ago
      More on the PCI-E slot overdraw: http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Power-Consumption-Concerns-Radeon-RX-480 http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Power-Consumptio... It's concerning at stock settings but gets far worse when the card is overclocked, with the card overloading the 12V pins by about 50%. AMD say they are working on a driver fix at least.
jon-wood 10y ago
For that sort of thing you'd be fine with the previous generation of graphics cards, I've got a Radeon R7 series, it's quite happy running most things with the settings turned up and costs a fraction of a high end card.

cm3 10y ago

But Nvidia's crippled SLI with the 10xx launch and declared many scenarios unsupported or not working. It's a little unclear right now because Nvidia isn't communicating it properly, but what used to work and was supported is not as it stands right now.

jsheard 10y ago
They've clarified the situation now. 2-way SLI continues to work as normal, but 3-way and 4-way SLI are no longer supported with the exception of certain whitelisted benchmarking apps (for the sake of people trying to set world records). 3/4-way SLI never worked particularly well in practice so it's not a great loss.
- cm3 10y ago
  Glad to hear they clarified it, but does it mean that 4 cards cannot be used for non-SLI loads like machine learning? I hope not.
  - jsheard 10y ago
    Non-SLI setups are unaffected, you can still use as many cards as will fit in your motherboard. They deprecated 3/4-way SLI due to the difficulty of implicitly splitting the workload in the driver, but with non-SLI setups for CUDA/OpenCL the load-splitting is done explicitly by the application so it's not their problem.
    - cm3 10y ago
      Does that mean SLI/Crossfire is not required when using Vulkan or DX12 (or Metal) and applications can saturate all cards if they want to? Isn't there a delay if you don't use Nvidia's bridge connector?
      - jsheard 10y ago
        Yep, it's possible to do multi-GPU without SLI/CF in DX12 _if_ the game engine goes out of its way handle all the workloads explicitly. http://www.anandtech.com/show/10067/ashes-of-the-singularity-revisited-beta/4 http://www.anandtech.com/show/10067/ashes-of-the-singularity... I don't expect many developers to actually use this functionality though - it's a lot of work to only benefit a tiny minority of users.