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Am ... am I falling in love with Windows? Well, time to see if I can get StumpWM running on it, for more hipster cred. (Partly joking, partly serious.)

by 616c 10y ago

lj3 10y ago
> Am ... am I falling in love with Windows? Spend some time with it again. You'll learn to hate it just as much as you did the first time around. For me, it's because of a single factor: BSOD caused by shitty geforce drivers. I used to think the linux geforce drivers were shit because it was a neglected platform. Now I know the truth: windows geforce drivers are full of pain and tears as well. I don't see any of the same issues on OS X.
- sz4kerto 10y ago
  Except that graphics drivers on OSX are slower than their Windows or Linux counterparts. There is a lot of problem with Windows, GPU driver quality is not one of them.
- mook 10y ago
  The specific case of terrible video drivers might have been slightly better these days (because part of it has been moved to user mode, so crashing it just means your screen flashes and weird for a second). Spending more time with it can let you find _different_ things to hate, of course. In general, all software suck.
  - lj3 10y ago
    > because part of it has been moved to user mode, so crashing it just means your screen flashes and weird for a second You mean on Linux, right? Because in Windows 10, going full screen in a youtube video on an external screen routinely causes my entire system to crash (BSOD, error dump, restart).
    - gman99 10y ago
      I'm on windows 10 with a shitty "optimus" enabled laptop. The NVidia drivers routinely crash (typically when viewing a heavy webGL enabled page) and windows 10 just flashes at me and throws up a notification saying my graphics drivers have crashed but it helpfully restarted the drivers for me. Perhaps you have a different issue? Maybe a hardware failure? Windows 10 should not be BSODing for a graphics driver failure
- omegaham 10y ago
  Are video drivers just guaranteed to be shitty in all cases? I can't use Ubuntu 16.04 because Radeon drivers cause constant, infuriating tearing on my screen and the computer hangs on startup every other time I boot up. fglrx isn't much better, but it's at least stable.
  - lj3 10y ago
    You know, I don't know. Nvidia and Radeon GPUs are complicated pieces of hardware and, from what I understand, the drivers have more than a decade of development cruft built up. Contrast that with Intel graphics chips. I don't know if Intel's graphics chips are simpler or if their software devs are that much better or if they just haven't been around long enough to develop as much cruft. What I do know is I've never had an issue with an Intel video driver. But, an Intel GPU isn't going to let me play Doom 2016 on the highest settings either.

Am ... am I falling in love with Windows? Well, time to see if I can get StumpWM running on it, for more hipster cred. (Partly joking, partly serious.)

by 616c 10y ago

Am ... am I falling in love with Windows? Well, time to see if I can get StumpWM running on it, for more hipster cred. (Partly joking, partly serious.)

lj3 10y ago

> Am ... am I falling in love with Windows? Spend some time with it again. You'll learn to hate it just as much as you did the first time around. For me, it's because of a single factor: BSOD caused by shitty geforce drivers. I used to think the linux geforce drivers were shit because it was a neglected platform. Now I know the truth: windows geforce drivers are full of pain and tears as well. I don't see any of the same issues on OS X.

sz4kerto 10y ago
Except that graphics drivers on OSX are slower than their Windows or Linux counterparts. There is a lot of problem with Windows, GPU driver quality is not one of them.
mook 10y ago
The specific case of terrible video drivers might have been slightly better these days (because part of it has been moved to user mode, so crashing it just means your screen flashes and weird for a second). Spending more time with it can let you find _different_ things to hate, of course. In general, all software suck.
- lj3 10y ago
  > because part of it has been moved to user mode, so crashing it just means your screen flashes and weird for a second You mean on Linux, right? Because in Windows 10, going full screen in a youtube video on an external screen routinely causes my entire system to crash (BSOD, error dump, restart).
  - gman99 10y ago
    I'm on windows 10 with a shitty "optimus" enabled laptop. The NVidia drivers routinely crash (typically when viewing a heavy webGL enabled page) and windows 10 just flashes at me and throws up a notification saying my graphics drivers have crashed but it helpfully restarted the drivers for me. Perhaps you have a different issue? Maybe a hardware failure? Windows 10 should not be BSODing for a graphics driver failure
omegaham 10y ago
Are video drivers just guaranteed to be shitty in all cases? I can't use Ubuntu 16.04 because Radeon drivers cause constant, infuriating tearing on my screen and the computer hangs on startup every other time I boot up. fglrx isn't much better, but it's at least stable.
- lj3 10y ago
  You know, I don't know. Nvidia and Radeon GPUs are complicated pieces of hardware and, from what I understand, the drivers have more than a decade of development cruft built up. Contrast that with Intel graphics chips. I don't know if Intel's graphics chips are simpler or if their software devs are that much better or if they just haven't been around long enough to develop as much cruft. What I do know is I've never had an issue with an Intel video driver. But, an Intel GPU isn't going to let me play Doom 2016 on the highest settings either.