What developers need to always understand is that the PM's view is the business's view. I've never understood this bright line boundary between the patchwork o

What developers need to always understand is that the PM's view is the business's view. I've never understood this bright line boundary between the patchwork of people that make up a technical group, and the patchwork of people that make up a business group. Presumably, the technology being developed is part of what makes the business viable; it isn't just a bunch of people wanking off in text editors on company time, while the grown ups -- the business folks -- do everything that earns money. It serious just seems like an artificial division to excuse the two groups for not listening to each other. This becomes even more painful when you are one of the people who wants to be involved in whatever makes up this nebulous "business side", and are told to fuck off back to your toys. My view: the business is everyone's business, and any time you start developing bright line boundaries to either protect turf, enforce a hierarchy for its own sake, or excuse non-involvement, the least of your problems is one of your techies wanting to play with technology that seems superfluous to the untrained eye.