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Can you explain how Asian men/women in America are an anomaly? Aren't Asian men/women successful in other countries (including their own) as well?

tines 10y ago
When you only allow the already-successful or already-high-IQ people into the selection pool, don't be surprised when you find that your pull is full of successful high-IQ people. This is called selection bias: the Asians in this study have already been filtered by the immigration process while the white people have not, so it's not a random sampling.
- shripadk 10y ago
  Then how do you explain the same Asians people being successful in other countries where the immigration process is not as strict as USA? By saying that "already-high-IQ" people immigrate to the home country aren't you in effect saying that there is no one in the native homeland with a higher IQ than the immigrating pool? Isn't that a self-defeating argument in itself? Are you saying that there is a preference given to Asians over white people by the employers?
  - tines 10y ago
    > Then how do you explain the same Asians people being successful in other countries where the immigration process is not as strict as USA? Since immigration costs money and it's "easier" to stay where you are born, there is no way to escape a selection bias. > By saying that "already-high-IQ" people immigrate to the home country aren't you in effect saying that there is no one in the native homeland with a higher IQ than the immigrating pool? No, and I'm not sure how that follows. The argument that I'm defending just asserts that the ones who immigrate are "better" than average in some way. > Are you saying that there is a preference given to Asians over white people by the employers? Again, no. The preference is already given by the immigration office.
    - omonra 10y ago
      Look at performance of Chinese all around South Asia - Malaysia, Indonesia. Or just compare Singapore with Malaysia: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=gdp+per+person+singapore+%2F+gdp+per+person+malaysia https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=gdp+per+person+singapo...

tines 10y ago

When you only allow the already-successful or already-high-IQ people into the selection pool, don't be surprised when you find that your pull is full of successful high-IQ people. This is called selection bias: the Asians in this study have already been filtered by the immigration process while the white people have not, so it's not a random sampling.

shripadk 10y ago
Then how do you explain the same Asians people being successful in other countries where the immigration process is not as strict as USA? By saying that "already-high-IQ" people immigrate to the home country aren't you in effect saying that there is no one in the native homeland with a higher IQ than the immigrating pool? Isn't that a self-defeating argument in itself? Are you saying that there is a preference given to Asians over white people by the employers?
- tines 10y ago
  > Then how do you explain the same Asians people being successful in other countries where the immigration process is not as strict as USA? Since immigration costs money and it's "easier" to stay where you are born, there is no way to escape a selection bias. > By saying that "already-high-IQ" people immigrate to the home country aren't you in effect saying that there is no one in the native homeland with a higher IQ than the immigrating pool? No, and I'm not sure how that follows. The argument that I'm defending just asserts that the ones who immigrate are "better" than average in some way. > Are you saying that there is a preference given to Asians over white people by the employers? Again, no. The preference is already given by the immigration office.
  - omonra 10y ago
    Look at performance of Chinese all around South Asia - Malaysia, Indonesia. Or just compare Singapore with Malaysia: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=gdp+per+person+singapore+%2F+gdp+per+person+malaysia https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=gdp+per+person+singapo...