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Out of curiosity, by Asian males, do they also include Indian men? It drives me crazy why Indians and people from other nationalities from the subcontinent do n

by asenna 10y ago

Out of curiosity, by Asian males, do they also include Indian men? It drives me crazy why Indians and people from other nationalities from the subcontinent do not get counted as "asians" in the US.

RealGeek 10y ago
Not sure if this includes Indian-American statistics, but Indian-Americans are the highest income group in US https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income#By_ancestry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U...
brownbat 10y ago
Interesting... subcontinent is definitely part of Asia, but I would have expected criticism the other direction, that "Asian" lumps together too many really distinct groups, not concern that it was not inclusive enough. Hmong households have slightly lower median incomes than the total US population, for instance.[0] [0] http://www.hndinc.org/cmsAdmin/uploads/dlc/HND-Census-Report-2013.pdf http://www.hndinc.org/cmsAdmin/uploads/dlc/HND-Census-Report...
- zo1 10y ago
  >"that "Asian" lumps together too many really distinct groups" So does white/caucasian, and probably all the other race "colors" as well. I.e. They lump together many different geographically-isolated/defined peoples and cultures into one singular entity for simplicity. And then we're led to believe statistics that are somehow indicative of something regarding that "race".
alexc05 10y ago
India is counted as Asian: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/05/11/the-challenges-of-polling-asian-americans/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/05/11/the-challeng...
zo1 10y ago
What about Russians, do you consider them asian? The thing is, short of ridiculously complicated, formalized definitions of all races, sub-races, and combinations you're going to have weirdness and misunderstandings. To most people, asian means China/Japan, and/or the accompanying facial-features that are predominant in those areas. Are all people from Africa black? No, of course not. Are all people from America/Europe white? No, of course not. So then, why do you want to define the "race" Asian using geography? When all others are based on skin-color/culture/identiy, for lack of a better way of simply-defining it. At this point, I'm half-expecting someone to correct me about my definition/description of races. Or perhaps be told about some sort of already-formalized, government-endorsed definition of one of the races above that I got wrong.
omonra 10y ago
It's the modern version of 'mongoloid' which has gone out of fashion. Interestly enough, in the UK 'asian' refers strictly to people from India/Pakistan.

by asenna 10y ago

Out of curiosity, by Asian males, do they also include Indian men? It drives me crazy why Indians and people from other nationalities from the subcontinent do not get counted as "asians" in the US.

RealGeek 10y ago

Not sure if this includes Indian-American statistics, but Indian-Americans are the highest income group in US https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income#By_ancestry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U...

brownbat 10y ago

Interesting... subcontinent is definitely part of Asia, but I would have expected criticism the other direction, that "Asian" lumps together too many really distinct groups, not concern that it was not inclusive enough. Hmong households have slightly lower median incomes than the total US population, for instance.[0] [0] http://www.hndinc.org/cmsAdmin/uploads/dlc/HND-Census-Report-2013.pdf http://www.hndinc.org/cmsAdmin/uploads/dlc/HND-Census-Report...

zo1 10y ago
>"that "Asian" lumps together too many really distinct groups" So does white/caucasian, and probably all the other race "colors" as well. I.e. They lump together many different geographically-isolated/defined peoples and cultures into one singular entity for simplicity. And then we're led to believe statistics that are somehow indicative of something regarding that "race".

alexc05 10y ago

India is counted as Asian: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/05/11/the-challenges-of-polling-asian-americans/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/05/11/the-challeng...

zo1 10y ago

What about Russians, do you consider them asian? The thing is, short of ridiculously complicated, formalized definitions of all races, sub-races, and combinations you're going to have weirdness and misunderstandings. To most people, asian means China/Japan, and/or the accompanying facial-features that are predominant in those areas. Are all people from Africa black? No, of course not. Are all people from America/Europe white? No, of course not. So then, why do you want to define the "race" Asian using geography? When all others are based on skin-color/culture/identiy, for lack of a better way of simply-defining it. At this point, I'm half-expecting someone to correct me about my definition/description of races. Or perhaps be told about some sort of already-formalized, government-endorsed definition of one of the races above that I got wrong.

omonra 10y ago

It's the modern version of 'mongoloid' which has gone out of fashion. Interestly enough, in the UK 'asian' refers strictly to people from India/Pakistan.