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Objectively, you don't know this decision is bad yet.
by chrischen 10y ago
Objectively, you don't know this decision is bad yet.
- trbvm2 10y agoWhere any decision stands on a range between good and bad is a subjective judgement.
- chrischen 10y agoThere's that too. I can rephrase it as we don't know if these measures will have positive or negative short term repercussions for China.
- benologist 10y agoWhat could the positive effects be of not being free to buy "South Park: The Stick of Truth" in Australia? I think South Park itself is one positive effect of not inhibiting free speech just because it offends. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_video_games_in_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_video_games_in_...
- chrischen 10y agoGenerally these things only exhibit negative effects in the long term. If it exhibits short term negative effects, it'd be obvious what to do.
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- benologist 10y agoThe AU governments' censorship of video games spans decades and no clear upside has emerged yet! In addition to video games we also censor television, books, porn, the internet and music. Slippery, slippery slope... it's now illegal for doctors to talk about the facilities and treatment they observe working with attempted-illegal immigrants detained indefinitely by the AU government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Australia
- CamperBob2 10y agoHow can it be good? Let's hear the devils-advocate point of view on this one.
- chrischen 10y agoChina has a competing system, culture, and government to that of the West. If it has to deal with the reality and consequences of its actions, it certainly doesn't need a Westerner on a pedestal to look down on its self-determination. How can it be good? There's a million ways it can be good, but you and I wouldn't know them for sure. Just like how arbitrary Western policies can swing either the positive or negative side of consequences. Just like how a large portion of Britain thinks Brexit is good, and a large portion thinks it's bad. You can't just assume your viewpoint is automatically assumed to correct. You have just as much responsibility to defend your position as the opposition does to have to defend it against your inquisitions. Before you judge, you're viewing China from a lens of systematic Western propaganda. You automatically assume their crazy laws are crazier than those proposed in the US, like New York's anti-large-soda law, which is also an example of mass behavior control. From China's perspective, they probably think America is barbaric in terms of gun control (guns are generally not allowed in China), just as we from our perspective think it's barbaric they censor their internet.
- kiba 10y agoIf you want to know how censorship can be good, look at all the crank theories and beliefs that people expressed that the majority of the population would regard it as 'wrong', and said population would be right. But the government couldn't censor their views, because it would be against our constitutional rights. For better or for worse, we think the freedom of expression outweigh the benefit of having a government ban expressions. I am glad that doesn't happen here in the Western world, but it's a good idea to try to think from their point of views of how censorship might be good.
- cageface 10y agoPeople often bring up similarly misguided policies in Western countries when defending China's policies but this kind of censorship is bad no matter who practices it.
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- Fej 10y agoFor the population, and from a human rights perspective, this decision is objectively bad.
- stvswn 10y agoI'm certain it's bad, regardless of the outcome.