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> As a Brazilian I say sorry for all the brainless judges and law makers that we have. Do you want them to act like Brazil is the USA's lackay (and end up like

by _pmf_ 10y ago

> As a Brazilian I say sorry for all the brainless judges and law makers that we have. Do you want them to act like Brazil is the USA's lackay (and end up like Mexico)?

onli 10y ago
How is that related to what is happening here? To fine a company for not getting that a company can't provide data it does not have is incompetence, not an act of sovereignty.
- venomsnake 10y ago
  The US courts tend to dislike willful ignorance. Why do you expect Brazilian ones to be different?
- meira 10y ago
  To fine a company (and some variants, like Google) in a strike of years and receive the same answer always is indeed an act against brazillian sovereignty.
  - evgen 10y ago
    And now Brazil is going to find out how little the rest of the internet cares about their sovereignty claims in this particular case. This is pure win for Whatsapp; Brazilian revenue is less for FB/WA than in most countries given the lingering zombie corpse of Orkut, so it does not cost as much to tell the Brazilian courts to piss off and gain street cred in markets they actually do care about.
    - skuzye 10y ago
      Orkut is a non-factor in Brazil currently and has been for years now. Facebook and whatsapp is used by basically everyone who has internet access [1][2] Edit: Of course number of users does not imply in revenue, but the Facebook office in Brazil is also a gateway to other Latin American countries. So I would argue that the country might not be as unimportant as you seem to imply. [1]http://www.statista.com/statistics/268136/top-15-countries-based-on-number-of-facebook-users/ http://www.statista.com/statistics/268136/top-15-countries-b... [2]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/05/03/whatsapp-shutdown-in-brazil-blocks-100-million-users/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/05/03/whatsapp-sh...
      - schoen 10y ago
        Apart from (and maybe due to) its declining popularity in Brazil, Orkut was ultimately shut down by Google: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orkut https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orkut
      - bubbleRefuge 10y ago
        I second this . Was visiting Brazil for the new year and was kind of astonished to see whatsApp logos on store fronts along with store phone number.
- PunchTornado 10y ago
  the case was in 2015 before whatsupp implemented encryption. + they failed to even reply. I hope they go much further if they continue to not obey other countries' laws.
  - MichaelGG 10y ago
    WhatsApp claims they never stored the messages. So it'd be akin to asking them to write a backdoor. Right?

by _pmf_ 10y ago

> As a Brazilian I say sorry for all the brainless judges and law makers that we have. Do you want them to act like Brazil is the USA's lackay (and end up like Mexico)?

onli 10y ago

How is that related to what is happening here? To fine a company for not getting that a company can't provide data it does not have is incompetence, not an act of sovereignty.

venomsnake 10y ago
The US courts tend to dislike willful ignorance. Why do you expect Brazilian ones to be different?
meira 10y ago
To fine a company (and some variants, like Google) in a strike of years and receive the same answer always is indeed an act against brazillian sovereignty.
- evgen 10y ago
  And now Brazil is going to find out how little the rest of the internet cares about their sovereignty claims in this particular case. This is pure win for Whatsapp; Brazilian revenue is less for FB/WA than in most countries given the lingering zombie corpse of Orkut, so it does not cost as much to tell the Brazilian courts to piss off and gain street cred in markets they actually do care about.
  - skuzye 10y ago
    Orkut is a non-factor in Brazil currently and has been for years now. Facebook and whatsapp is used by basically everyone who has internet access [1][2] Edit: Of course number of users does not imply in revenue, but the Facebook office in Brazil is also a gateway to other Latin American countries. So I would argue that the country might not be as unimportant as you seem to imply. [1]http://www.statista.com/statistics/268136/top-15-countries-based-on-number-of-facebook-users/ http://www.statista.com/statistics/268136/top-15-countries-b... [2]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/05/03/whatsapp-shutdown-in-brazil-blocks-100-million-users/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/05/03/whatsapp-sh...
    - schoen 10y ago
      Apart from (and maybe due to) its declining popularity in Brazil, Orkut was ultimately shut down by Google: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orkut https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orkut
    - bubbleRefuge 10y ago
      I second this . Was visiting Brazil for the new year and was kind of astonished to see whatsApp logos on store fronts along with store phone number.
PunchTornado 10y ago
the case was in 2015 before whatsupp implemented encryption. + they failed to even reply. I hope they go much further if they continue to not obey other countries' laws.
- MichaelGG 10y ago
  WhatsApp claims they never stored the messages. So it'd be akin to asking them to write a backdoor. Right?