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A comparison also needs to include the fact that Autopilot is really only used on highway like streets, which are much safer than most other types of driving.

by c0g 10y ago

mSparks 10y ago
Not sure i agree. You may be more likely to have an "accident" elsewhere. But im reasonably sure that you are much more likely to die at highway speeds. This is one of the great things about tesla logging everything tho. The data is there to "prove" it one way of the other.
- c0g 10y ago
  I'm basing my assertions off things like this: http://www.npr.org/2009/11/29/120716625/the-deadliest-roads-are-rural http://www.npr.org/2009/11/29/120716625/the-deadliest-roads-...
  - mSparks 10y ago
    ->The roads traveled least are the nation's deadliest roads Two factors for that tho. Firstly is bad road markings. Which computers will be infinately better at handling. But more importantly is the response time of emergency services and letting someone know theres been an accident. Even minor injuries end up fatal if no one finds you trapped in the car for a week. And every second counts for more serious collisions. Only so much manufacturers can do about either. Dui and driver fatigue. As you will see are among the big killers. (And before you think "yeah but i dont drive drunk or tired" remember you arent the only person on the road). Think its just about being carefull with what is meant by "safer" and "other types of driving". You are more likely to have an accident in busy periods on busy roads. But you are much more likely to die if you have an accident somewhere quiet or on high speed roads.
    - c0g 10y ago
      Bad road markings are very hard for current self driving systems to solve. Your other points back up the claim though - self driving cars need to be compared to like-for-like mortality: same roads, same demographic, similar safety features. My guess is they're currently considerably less safe.

A comparison also needs to include the fact that Autopilot is really only used on highway like streets, which are much safer than most other types of driving.

by c0g 10y ago

A comparison also needs to include the fact that Autopilot is really only used on highway like streets, which are much safer than most other types of driving.

mSparks 10y ago

Not sure i agree. You may be more likely to have an "accident" elsewhere. But im reasonably sure that you are much more likely to die at highway speeds. This is one of the great things about tesla logging everything tho. The data is there to "prove" it one way of the other.

c0g 10y ago
I'm basing my assertions off things like this: http://www.npr.org/2009/11/29/120716625/the-deadliest-roads-are-rural http://www.npr.org/2009/11/29/120716625/the-deadliest-roads-...
- mSparks 10y ago
  ->The roads traveled least are the nation's deadliest roads Two factors for that tho. Firstly is bad road markings. Which computers will be infinately better at handling. But more importantly is the response time of emergency services and letting someone know theres been an accident. Even minor injuries end up fatal if no one finds you trapped in the car for a week. And every second counts for more serious collisions. Only so much manufacturers can do about either. Dui and driver fatigue. As you will see are among the big killers. (And before you think "yeah but i dont drive drunk or tired" remember you arent the only person on the road). Think its just about being carefull with what is meant by "safer" and "other types of driving". You are more likely to have an accident in busy periods on busy roads. But you are much more likely to die if you have an accident somewhere quiet or on high speed roads.
  - c0g 10y ago
    Bad road markings are very hard for current self driving systems to solve. Your other points back up the claim though - self driving cars need to be compared to like-for-like mortality: same roads, same demographic, similar safety features. My guess is they're currently considerably less safe.