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As a Brazilian I say sorry for all the brainless judges and law makers that we have.

by afswashere 10y ago

akerro 10y ago
Ym... you're sorry for this and I which judges in my country had enough courage to do such thing.
- kringdom89 10y ago
  We don't have elected judges so that might help. Our judges need to be approved in a incredible hard Civil service entrance examination. Also, they have several constitutional protections that protect them from political or public subordination as they have jobs for life, they can't be moved to another city without their consent, etc.
  - fiatjaf 10y ago
    You're not talking about Brazil, right?
    - kringdom89 10y ago
      I'm talking about Brazil. Sorry if it was not clear enough.
      - akerro 10y ago
        because it works the same in Europe.
        cm3 10y ago
        Are you sure about the restriction in mobility for judges in Europe?
_pmf_ 10y ago
> As a Brazilian I say sorry for all the brainless judges and law makers that we have. Do you want them to act like Brazil is the USA's lackay (and end up like Mexico)?
- onli 10y ago
  How is that related to what is happening here? To fine a company for not getting that a company can't provide data it does not have is incompetence, not an act of sovereignty.
  - venomsnake 10y ago
    The US courts tend to dislike willful ignorance. Why do you expect Brazilian ones to be different?
  - meira 10y ago
    To fine a company (and some variants, like Google) in a strike of years and receive the same answer always is indeed an act against brazillian sovereignty.
    - evgen 10y ago
      And now Brazil is going to find out how little the rest of the internet cares about their sovereignty claims in this particular case. This is pure win for Whatsapp; Brazilian revenue is less for FB/WA than in most countries given the lingering zombie corpse of Orkut, so it does not cost as much to tell the Brazilian courts to piss off and gain street cred in markets they actually do care about.
      - skuzye 10y ago
        Orkut is a non-factor in Brazil currently and has been for years now. Facebook and whatsapp is used by basically everyone who has internet access [1][2] Edit: Of course number of users does not imply in revenue, but the Facebook office in Brazil is also a gateway to other Latin American countries. So I would argue that the country might not be as unimportant as you seem to imply. [1]http://www.statista.com/statistics/268136/top-15-countries-based-on-number-of-facebook-users/ http://www.statista.com/statistics/268136/top-15-countries-b... [2]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/05/03/whatsapp-shutdown-in-brazil-blocks-100-million-users/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/05/03/whatsapp-sh...
meira 10y ago
As a software Engineer and tech founder (and Brazillian), I say sorry for all the brainless sh*t people from silicon valley think is right to do to other countries systems, laws and regulations to get more rich and make you all more poor.
- lunula 10y ago
  What do you think can be done about this attitude?
  - gajjanag 10y ago
    Some general thoughts. I would guess that the first step is acknowledging that the problem exists and is not made up by a few disgruntled people. The next step is understanding, for which there are plenty of resources on the web as a start. I believe that living in another country for at least a year is helpful. Note that it is very easy to fall into the trap of insulating oneself from the local culture by simply trying to copy over one's main country of residence. I have seen it happen all too often with many NRI's in India. Then comes the really hard part, which is creating solutions based on such understanding.
    - at-fates-hands 10y ago
      >> I would guess that the first step is acknowledging that the problem exists and is not made up by a few disgruntled people. Good luck with this one. This is how the US has become so polarized and there is no end in sight. Nobody wants to admit there's a problem and take responsibility. It's always someone else's problem and how come they can see/understand/comprehend it?? - too much political correctness - too much worrying about upsetting someone's feelings - too much technology - Too much selfishness It's incredibly depressing.
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- rglullis 10y ago
  How has whatsapp/fb made you more poor?
rmsaksida 10y ago
Don't apologize. The judiciary and the federal police are the only institutions we have that kind of work. I agree judges have usually been wrong on this subject, but not because "it's Whatsapp" - Whatsapp shouldn't be treated a special entity.
fiatjaf 10y ago
As a Brazilian I ask for a US invasion and takeover of all our federal institutions.
- sargas 10y ago
  And solve one problem by implanting another?
otaviokz 10y ago
Do you realise those companies regularly cooperate with USA police in similar cases? Why should you be ashamed of your country acting as the sovereign nation it is?

As a Brazilian I say sorry for all the brainless judges and law makers that we have.

akerro 10y ago

Ym... you're sorry for this and I which judges in my country had enough courage to do such thing.

kringdom89 10y ago
We don't have elected judges so that might help. Our judges need to be approved in a incredible hard Civil service entrance examination. Also, they have several constitutional protections that protect them from political or public subordination as they have jobs for life, they can't be moved to another city without their consent, etc.
- fiatjaf 10y ago
  You're not talking about Brazil, right?
  - kringdom89 10y ago
    I'm talking about Brazil. Sorry if it was not clear enough.
    - akerro 10y ago
      because it works the same in Europe.
      - cm3 10y ago
        Are you sure about the restriction in mobility for judges in Europe?

_pmf_ 10y ago

> As a Brazilian I say sorry for all the brainless judges and law makers that we have. Do you want them to act like Brazil is the USA's lackay (and end up like Mexico)?

onli 10y ago
How is that related to what is happening here? To fine a company for not getting that a company can't provide data it does not have is incompetence, not an act of sovereignty.
- venomsnake 10y ago
  The US courts tend to dislike willful ignorance. Why do you expect Brazilian ones to be different?
- meira 10y ago
  To fine a company (and some variants, like Google) in a strike of years and receive the same answer always is indeed an act against brazillian sovereignty.
  - evgen 10y ago
    And now Brazil is going to find out how little the rest of the internet cares about their sovereignty claims in this particular case. This is pure win for Whatsapp; Brazilian revenue is less for FB/WA than in most countries given the lingering zombie corpse of Orkut, so it does not cost as much to tell the Brazilian courts to piss off and gain street cred in markets they actually do care about.
    - skuzye 10y ago
      Orkut is a non-factor in Brazil currently and has been for years now. Facebook and whatsapp is used by basically everyone who has internet access [1][2] Edit: Of course number of users does not imply in revenue, but the Facebook office in Brazil is also a gateway to other Latin American countries. So I would argue that the country might not be as unimportant as you seem to imply. [1]http://www.statista.com/statistics/268136/top-15-countries-based-on-number-of-facebook-users/ http://www.statista.com/statistics/268136/top-15-countries-b... [2]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/05/03/whatsapp-shutdown-in-brazil-blocks-100-million-users/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/05/03/whatsapp-sh...

meira 10y ago

As a software Engineer and tech founder (and Brazillian), I say sorry for all the brainless sh*t people from silicon valley think is right to do to other countries systems, laws and regulations to get more rich and make you all more poor.

lunula 10y ago
What do you think can be done about this attitude?
- gajjanag 10y ago
  Some general thoughts. I would guess that the first step is acknowledging that the problem exists and is not made up by a few disgruntled people. The next step is understanding, for which there are plenty of resources on the web as a start. I believe that living in another country for at least a year is helpful. Note that it is very easy to fall into the trap of insulating oneself from the local culture by simply trying to copy over one's main country of residence. I have seen it happen all too often with many NRI's in India. Then comes the really hard part, which is creating solutions based on such understanding.
  - at-fates-hands 10y ago
    >> I would guess that the first step is acknowledging that the problem exists and is not made up by a few disgruntled people. Good luck with this one. This is how the US has become so polarized and there is no end in sight. Nobody wants to admit there's a problem and take responsibility. It's always someone else's problem and how come they can see/understand/comprehend it?? - too much political correctness - too much worrying about upsetting someone's feelings - too much technology - Too much selfishness It's incredibly depressing.
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rglullis 10y ago
How has whatsapp/fb made you more poor?

rmsaksida 10y ago

Don't apologize. The judiciary and the federal police are the only institutions we have that kind of work. I agree judges have usually been wrong on this subject, but not because "it's Whatsapp" - Whatsapp shouldn't be treated a special entity.

fiatjaf 10y ago

As a Brazilian I ask for a US invasion and takeover of all our federal institutions.

sargas 10y ago
And solve one problem by implanting another?

otaviokz 10y ago

Do you realise those companies regularly cooperate with USA police in similar cases? Why should you be ashamed of your country acting as the sovereign nation it is?