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http://www.georgiapacking.org/law.php http://www.georgiapacking.org/law.php While Georgia allows open carry of long-guns without a permit, white people walking

http://www.georgiapacking.org/law.php http://www.georgiapacking.org/law.php While Georgia allows open carry of long-guns without a permit, white people walking around with AR-15 rifles would probably be stopped and questioned by the police regardless. Open carry of handguns, and concealed carry of any weapon, in Georgia is only legal with a Georgia Weapons Carry License, which is only obtained after a background check and review by a local probate judge. While someone of darker complexion might run into trouble with certain racists on certain police forces, I don't think it's fair to damn the whole state's laws based on that. So called "Terry" stops are not allowed, no matter what color someone's skin is.

runako 10y ago
> white people walking around with AR-15 rifles would probably be stopped and questioned by the police regardless. Let's assume that's correct. It doesn't address the point that every citizen could not be expected to be afforded this treatment. A group of dark-skinned men who carry long guns into a store are likely to spend some time on the pavement, or worse. (It's a very big subject so I won't post citations, but there have been ample publications indicating that unarmed people of color are killed by police at a higher rate than white people. That's a long way from questioning.) The right to carry long guns in public places is created by legislation that is dependent on our understanding that the police can figure out who should not be allowed to enjoy this right. If our shared understanding was that the outcome of these laws would be vast numbers of swarthy men carrying AR-15s in all public places, an armed minority teenager behind us at every ATM, our public debate around guns would be very different. > So called "Terry" stops are not allowed, no matter what color someone's skin is. If you believe this is how the law is actually enforced in America, you really should spend more time with people outside your current circle of acquaintances. If you don't believe that this is how our laws are currently enforced, then you are in agreement with my post.
- khedoros 10y ago
  > If our shared understanding was that the outcome of these laws would be vast numbers of swarthy men carrying AR-15s in all public places, an armed minority teenager behind us at every ATM, our public debate around guns would be very different. I'd argue that this statement would stand, even without the racial qualifiers. I don't think I've seen an AR-15 outside of a shooting range or gun show. If "vast numbers" of people felt the need to carry them in all public places, I think I'd look for somewhere else to be, where I could feel safe without being armed.
  - ethbro 10y ago
    > ... I think I'd look for somewhere else to be, where I could feel safe without being armed. That's the beauty of open-carry, you don't have to be armed because everyone around you is! /half-ironicly, half-pointedly
    - khedoros 10y ago
      As I've seen them exercised in my area and in others I've visited or lived in, I don't have problem with gun rights. I've been raised to see them as tools, though. I wouldn't want to stay somewhere where people carry around kitchen knives, large mallets, or tire irons, either. In my mind, you carry a tool when you intend to use it, or suspect that it may be necessary. In a large group of people, there's also a good chance that a percentage of them wouldn't know what they're doing and just kill whatever kind of safety benefit everyone else imagines they've got.
- simbalion 10y ago
  If I recall correctly, there was a group of mixed race people walking around with rifles at various events, without incident. I think groups might be less likely to stir trouble than a single individual, for a variety of reasons. But I could be wrong, it would depend largely on the responding officers, I imagine. If the citizens are being peaceful and do not act in threatening ways, I would not expect trouble.
  - c22 10y ago
    I talked to a guy holding a gun once who politely asked for my wallet. He didn't point the gun at me, yell, stand too close, or act aggressive. The mere act of holding a gun was all the threat he needed.
    - ad-hominem 10y ago
      It's almost as if the context matters. Somebody at night "politely" brandishing a firearm asking you for your wallet on a lonely street is not the same as a guy wearing an american flag t-shirt with a rifle on his back sucking down hot dogs at a cookout, even though they are both "holding" guns.
mcguire 10y ago
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runako 10y ago

> white people walking around with AR-15 rifles would probably be stopped and questioned by the police regardless. Let's assume that's correct. It doesn't address the point that every citizen could not be expected to be afforded this treatment. A group of dark-skinned men who carry long guns into a store are likely to spend some time on the pavement, or worse. (It's a very big subject so I won't post citations, but there have been ample publications indicating that unarmed people of color are killed by police at a higher rate than white people. That's a long way from questioning.) The right to carry long guns in public places is created by legislation that is dependent on our understanding that the police can figure out who should not be allowed to enjoy this right. If our shared understanding was that the outcome of these laws would be vast numbers of swarthy men carrying AR-15s in all public places, an armed minority teenager behind us at every ATM, our public debate around guns would be very different. > So called "Terry" stops are not allowed, no matter what color someone's skin is. If you believe this is how the law is actually enforced in America, you really should spend more time with people outside your current circle of acquaintances. If you don't believe that this is how our laws are currently enforced, then you are in agreement with my post.

khedoros 10y ago
> If our shared understanding was that the outcome of these laws would be vast numbers of swarthy men carrying AR-15s in all public places, an armed minority teenager behind us at every ATM, our public debate around guns would be very different. I'd argue that this statement would stand, even without the racial qualifiers. I don't think I've seen an AR-15 outside of a shooting range or gun show. If "vast numbers" of people felt the need to carry them in all public places, I think I'd look for somewhere else to be, where I could feel safe without being armed.
- ethbro 10y ago
  > ... I think I'd look for somewhere else to be, where I could feel safe without being armed. That's the beauty of open-carry, you don't have to be armed because everyone around you is! /half-ironicly, half-pointedly
  - khedoros 10y ago
    As I've seen them exercised in my area and in others I've visited or lived in, I don't have problem with gun rights. I've been raised to see them as tools, though. I wouldn't want to stay somewhere where people carry around kitchen knives, large mallets, or tire irons, either. In my mind, you carry a tool when you intend to use it, or suspect that it may be necessary. In a large group of people, there's also a good chance that a percentage of them wouldn't know what they're doing and just kill whatever kind of safety benefit everyone else imagines they've got.
simbalion 10y ago
If I recall correctly, there was a group of mixed race people walking around with rifles at various events, without incident. I think groups might be less likely to stir trouble than a single individual, for a variety of reasons. But I could be wrong, it would depend largely on the responding officers, I imagine. If the citizens are being peaceful and do not act in threatening ways, I would not expect trouble.
- c22 10y ago
  I talked to a guy holding a gun once who politely asked for my wallet. He didn't point the gun at me, yell, stand too close, or act aggressive. The mere act of holding a gun was all the threat he needed.
  - ad-hominem 10y ago
    It's almost as if the context matters. Somebody at night "politely" brandishing a firearm asking you for your wallet on a lonely street is not the same as a guy wearing an american flag t-shirt with a rifle on his back sucking down hot dogs at a cookout, even though they are both "holding" guns.

mcguire 10y ago

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