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>Tesla should not allow autopilots. They have nothing to gain by the negative publicity they will get from cases like these. This is literally the only way to

>Tesla should not allow autopilots. They have nothing to gain by the negative publicity they will get from cases like these. This is literally the only way to develop such systems. And regardless of incidents like this, these systems will be developed sometime in the fairly near future and whichever company is on the leading edge of them will command a massive new market that will probably start growing incredibly rapidly right after it takes off.

mdorazio 10y ago
This is just factually incorrect. Google is developing self-driving tech just fine without releasing it to consumers as a "beta". So is Delphi. So, presumably, is Uber now. Personally I am also of the opinion that releasing autopilot in its current state (especially with the weak sensors) was not a good move in terms of safety for drivers. Great move for PR and gaining data, yes, but we can now make a very plausible argument that it has killed at least one person.
- Retra 10y ago
  And you think when Google, Delphi, and Uber start selling cars, everything is going to work perfectly?
  - mdorazio 10y ago
    Of course not, but it will work a lot better than autopilot, with significantly lower accident rates. No system will ever be perfect, but there is a huge difference between privately testing something to the best of your abilities before releasing it, and turning on a beta feature easily capable of killing drivers via a software update protected by a disclaimer screen.
    - Retra 10y ago
      What reason do you have to believe that? What are you basing this on? Just because something is in development longer doesn't mean the quality is better. Furthermore, Tesla might be gaining some critical information with their early release. And whose to say Tesla didn't test this stuff to the best of their abilities? 'Significantly lower accident rates' compared to what, exactly? The highly accurate accident rates collected from the many decades of experience with Tesla accidents that never happened?
      - mdorazio 10y ago
        I'm basing it on what those companies are actually doing right now in the real world. Both companies have paid drivers babysitting their "driverless" cars on real roads right now, and they will continue to test them this way, out of the hands of the public, for years, gathering data in a safe way over millions of miles driven. Because that's the way to gather data when real lives are at stake. Both companies are also adamant about having LIDAR and additional sensors in their vehicles that Tesla has decided aren't needed. Neither company has or will release a version to the public until they actually think it is safe to turn control over to the car entirely. Now compare that to Tesla - beta software and sub-par sensors that can't detect stationary objects in the road (there was a recent case where a Model S on Autopilot hit a stalled car on the freeway despite plenty of time to stop), can't detect obstacles at windshield level (there was a recent case where a Model S hit a parked trailer when summoned), and apparently have trouble distinguishing between sky and lightly colored objects in full daylight (the most recent accident). This is a company that is prioritizing technology releases ahead of human lives. Significantly lower accident rates compared to Model S Autopilot, if that wasn't obvious. In the future, you will take accidents per miles driven in autonomous mode and compare between Tesla, Google, Apple, Uber, etc. and then see which one has the lower rate. I am saying that Tesla will be the worst.
return0 10y ago
They should at least let the drivers sign a contract that they 'll be putting themselves in danger.
- Retra 10y ago
  Such a document exists. It's commonly called a driver's license.

mdorazio 10y ago

This is just factually incorrect. Google is developing self-driving tech just fine without releasing it to consumers as a "beta". So is Delphi. So, presumably, is Uber now. Personally I am also of the opinion that releasing autopilot in its current state (especially with the weak sensors) was not a good move in terms of safety for drivers. Great move for PR and gaining data, yes, but we can now make a very plausible argument that it has killed at least one person.

Retra 10y ago
And you think when Google, Delphi, and Uber start selling cars, everything is going to work perfectly?
- mdorazio 10y ago
  Of course not, but it will work a lot better than autopilot, with significantly lower accident rates. No system will ever be perfect, but there is a huge difference between privately testing something to the best of your abilities before releasing it, and turning on a beta feature easily capable of killing drivers via a software update protected by a disclaimer screen.
  - Retra 10y ago
    What reason do you have to believe that? What are you basing this on? Just because something is in development longer doesn't mean the quality is better. Furthermore, Tesla might be gaining some critical information with their early release. And whose to say Tesla didn't test this stuff to the best of their abilities? 'Significantly lower accident rates' compared to what, exactly? The highly accurate accident rates collected from the many decades of experience with Tesla accidents that never happened?
    - mdorazio 10y ago
      I'm basing it on what those companies are actually doing right now in the real world. Both companies have paid drivers babysitting their "driverless" cars on real roads right now, and they will continue to test them this way, out of the hands of the public, for years, gathering data in a safe way over millions of miles driven. Because that's the way to gather data when real lives are at stake. Both companies are also adamant about having LIDAR and additional sensors in their vehicles that Tesla has decided aren't needed. Neither company has or will release a version to the public until they actually think it is safe to turn control over to the car entirely. Now compare that to Tesla - beta software and sub-par sensors that can't detect stationary objects in the road (there was a recent case where a Model S on Autopilot hit a stalled car on the freeway despite plenty of time to stop), can't detect obstacles at windshield level (there was a recent case where a Model S hit a parked trailer when summoned), and apparently have trouble distinguishing between sky and lightly colored objects in full daylight (the most recent accident). This is a company that is prioritizing technology releases ahead of human lives. Significantly lower accident rates compared to Model S Autopilot, if that wasn't obvious. In the future, you will take accidents per miles driven in autonomous mode and compare between Tesla, Google, Apple, Uber, etc. and then see which one has the lower rate. I am saying that Tesla will be the worst.

return0 10y ago

They should at least let the drivers sign a contract that they 'll be putting themselves in danger.

Retra 10y ago
Such a document exists. It's commonly called a driver's license.