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Don't all businesses do that? Walmart? Costco? Verizon? AT&T? Bestbuy? The consequence here is that you are saying a company should not be able to control

Don't all businesses do that? Walmart? Costco? Verizon? AT&T? Bestbuy? The consequence here is that you are saying a company should not be able to control what they sell in their own stores. That seems pretty extreme.

digi_owl 10y ago
The tricky bit there is that apple both sell their own products and services alongside being a retailer for third party products and services. In the end though, someone has to file a complaint with a relevant regulator for anything to happen. And i suspect few wants to go through the years of court rigamarole opposite Apple's legal team.
- wvenable 10y ago
  There are plenty of companies that sell their own products and services alongside being a retailer for third party products. Even in that situation, I don't believe there is any legal or moral requirement that they stock competing products (unless in a monopoly scenario). It might seem like a crappy thing to do but the alternative is completely unsustainable.
- coldtea 10y ago
  >The tricky bit there is that apple both sell their own products and services alongside being a retailer for third party products and services. And Costco etc don't do that?
- snowwrestler 10y ago
  This is true of any large grocery or drug store chain, at least in the U.S. I can go into CVS and buy Allegra allergy medicine, or--sitting right next to it on the shelf, also in a purple box--the CVS generic brand with the same amount of the same active ingredient, for less. Allegra could pull their product from CVS shelves if they wanted to. But it seems that having access to CVS customers is worth more to them than the sales they lose to CVS generics.
TarpitCarnivore 10y ago
> Don't all businesses do that? Walmart? Costco? Verizon? AT&T? Bestbuy? The difference is if you don't like either of those companies you can go to Target, Amazon, Frys, or any other big box/online store that would sell similar stuff. On iOS there is only the App Store in terms of distribution.
- wvenable 10y ago
  You can use Android, Windows Phone, etc. If you want a closer analogy, Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo maintain the only means of distribution for their consoles. Do you believe they should be forced to distribute anything?
Oletros 10y ago
> The consequence here is that you are saying a company should not be able to control what they sell in their own stores. Spotify is not selling in the App Store In which way is different from the ebay app or the Amazon app?
- RKearney 10y ago
  > In which way is different from the ebay app or the Amazon app? Because they're physical goods. Section 3.1.5 of the new AppStore guidelines states: > 3.1.5 Physical Goods and Services Outside of the App: > If your app enables people to purchase goods or services > that will be consumed outside of the app, you must use > purchase methods other than IAP to collect those payments, > such as Apple Pay or traditional credit card entry. Apps > may facilitate transmission of approved virtual currencies > (e.g. Bitcoin, DogeCoin) provided that they do so in > compliance with all state and federal laws for the > territories in which the app functions. Spotify is not selling physical goods or services. 11.13 of the old guidelines (new guidelines not finalized yet) states: > Apps that link to external mechanisms for purchases > or subscriptions to be used in the App, such as a "buy" > button that goes to a web site to purchase a digital book, > will be rejected
  - Oletros 10y ago
    I know, but in which way is different selling physical goods from outside the App Store than selling digital content from outside the App Store?
- wvenable 10y ago
  The app store is distributing Spotify.

digi_owl 10y ago

The tricky bit there is that apple both sell their own products and services alongside being a retailer for third party products and services. In the end though, someone has to file a complaint with a relevant regulator for anything to happen. And i suspect few wants to go through the years of court rigamarole opposite Apple's legal team.

wvenable 10y ago
There are plenty of companies that sell their own products and services alongside being a retailer for third party products. Even in that situation, I don't believe there is any legal or moral requirement that they stock competing products (unless in a monopoly scenario). It might seem like a crappy thing to do but the alternative is completely unsustainable.
coldtea 10y ago
>The tricky bit there is that apple both sell their own products and services alongside being a retailer for third party products and services. And Costco etc don't do that?
snowwrestler 10y ago
This is true of any large grocery or drug store chain, at least in the U.S. I can go into CVS and buy Allegra allergy medicine, or--sitting right next to it on the shelf, also in a purple box--the CVS generic brand with the same amount of the same active ingredient, for less. Allegra could pull their product from CVS shelves if they wanted to. But it seems that having access to CVS customers is worth more to them than the sales they lose to CVS generics.

TarpitCarnivore 10y ago

> Don't all businesses do that? Walmart? Costco? Verizon? AT&T? Bestbuy? The difference is if you don't like either of those companies you can go to Target, Amazon, Frys, or any other big box/online store that would sell similar stuff. On iOS there is only the App Store in terms of distribution.

wvenable 10y ago
You can use Android, Windows Phone, etc. If you want a closer analogy, Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo maintain the only means of distribution for their consoles. Do you believe they should be forced to distribute anything?

Oletros 10y ago

> The consequence here is that you are saying a company should not be able to control what they sell in their own stores. Spotify is not selling in the App Store In which way is different from the ebay app or the Amazon app?

RKearney 10y ago
> In which way is different from the ebay app or the Amazon app? Because they're physical goods. Section 3.1.5 of the new AppStore guidelines states: > 3.1.5 Physical Goods and Services Outside of the App: > If your app enables people to purchase goods or services > that will be consumed outside of the app, you must use > purchase methods other than IAP to collect those payments, > such as Apple Pay or traditional credit card entry. Apps > may facilitate transmission of approved virtual currencies > (e.g. Bitcoin, DogeCoin) provided that they do so in > compliance with all state and federal laws for the > territories in which the app functions. Spotify is not selling physical goods or services. 11.13 of the old guidelines (new guidelines not finalized yet) states: > Apps that link to external mechanisms for purchases > or subscriptions to be used in the App, such as a "buy" > button that goes to a web site to purchase a digital book, > will be rejected
- Oletros 10y ago
  I know, but in which way is different selling physical goods from outside the App Store than selling digital content from outside the App Store?
wvenable 10y ago
The app store is distributing Spotify.