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> Muslim societies that they actually stone people to death for adultery This is false. Put on your skeptical, critical thinking cap: 1) Do you really know th

> Muslim societies that they actually stone people to death for adultery This is false. Put on your skeptical, critical thinking cap: 1) Do you really know that stoning is prevelant, and not just a few sensational news stories? 2) Is there a high correlation? That is, are there Muslim societies that don't stone people (maybe in wealthy parts of the world)? Are there other groups that do stone people and do similarly brutal things (maybe in poor parts of the world)? It's very serious to spread this misinformation; this is how hatred and discrimination spread, and how brutal things happen to minorities. Consider that many of the worst calamities in history are based on ignorance and hatred of the 'other' ethnicity, including what has happened in the wealthiest nations.

JoeAltmaier 10y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning#Afghanistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning#Afghanistan Its trying to be phased out but remains surprisingly pernicious.
- hackuser 10y ago
  The fact that it exists in Afghanistan (if Wikipedia is to be believed), at whatever frequency, doesn't address any of the questions I brought up.
  - DominikR 10y ago
    And it exists in Saudi Arabia, Iran to name a few of the larger Muslim countries. And how about people that are homosexual. Right, death penalty in 11 Muslim countries. It's entirely possible that also homosexual people would have used this dating app.
    - hackuser 10y ago
      Again, this isn't evidence. I assume people on HN have better analytical ability than that, skepticism, and the ability to filter meaningful data from the large universe of assertions. Let's try taking this very serious issue seriously (see my above statements).
throwanem 10y ago
Do you know that it isn't? Do you know that there's not? You call DominikR's statements "misinformation", which amounts to a claim that they are false. You're every bit as much on the hook to substantiate your claims as he is to substantiate his. Please do so.
- hackuser 10y ago
  > You call DominikR's statements "misinformation", which amounts to a claim that they are false. You're every bit as much on the hook to substantiate your claims as he is to substantiate his I strongly disagree. He makes the claims; it's up to him to substantiate them. It doesn't work if people say anything they want and ask others to falsify them; we could all make up statements all day.
  - throwanem 10y ago
    If the question is as clear as you make it sound, falsifying his statements should be trivial, with the beneficial effect of preventing anyone who cares about factuality from taking his claims seriously. Sounds like an easy win to me, if you can do it.
DominikR 10y ago
This is about a leak from a dating app for Muslims. So it doesn't make sense for me to write about the risks that someone in Hawaii or Germany might face after a similar leak. And sorry, but there are many types of sexual acts that are criminalised in Muslim countries. Not just adultery which is punishable by death in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Jemen, Qatar (and I'm sure there are many more) but also homosexuality where also the death penalty is applied in 11 Muslim countries. You can't brush that away by pointing to discrimination. Compared to the West these societies have in some areas truly horrific laws. Yes this is not true for all Muslim countries (Turkey, Bosnia and Indonesia comes to mind), but it is most of them. And where there is no death penalty, we often see honor killings which are not persecuted by their governments. (Pakistan) If no one speaks up about this then these societies will continue like this forever. I don't mean to hurt normal people in Muslim countries that just go about a normal life, but I also wont say everything is fine when it clearly isn't. And who could I hurt with this except for radicals or people unknowingly following or being played by radicals? There's also many things that are wrong in our societies, but one thing is for sure: You wont see US or EU citizens burn embassies to the ground or declaring Fatwas because someone criticised our society or culture.
- hackuser 10y ago
  > You can't brush that away by pointing to discrimination. I don't, I point to very poor reasoning and analysis. I challenge you to answer my questions above instead of posting more insubstantial analysis. I do point to discrimination where I see it; as you say: > If no one speaks up about this then these societies will continue like this forever But if one spreads ignorance, it persists forever, with great harm to the victims. So we must be careful to do the right thing. Let's look in the mirror first, and point out our own problems; we are just as flawed and human. ---- And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

JoeAltmaier 10y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning#Afghanistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning#Afghanistan Its trying to be phased out but remains surprisingly pernicious.

hackuser 10y ago
The fact that it exists in Afghanistan (if Wikipedia is to be believed), at whatever frequency, doesn't address any of the questions I brought up.
- DominikR 10y ago
  And it exists in Saudi Arabia, Iran to name a few of the larger Muslim countries. And how about people that are homosexual. Right, death penalty in 11 Muslim countries. It's entirely possible that also homosexual people would have used this dating app.
  - hackuser 10y ago
    Again, this isn't evidence. I assume people on HN have better analytical ability than that, skepticism, and the ability to filter meaningful data from the large universe of assertions. Let's try taking this very serious issue seriously (see my above statements).

throwanem 10y ago

Do you know that it isn't? Do you know that there's not? You call DominikR's statements "misinformation", which amounts to a claim that they are false. You're every bit as much on the hook to substantiate your claims as he is to substantiate his. Please do so.

hackuser 10y ago
> You call DominikR's statements "misinformation", which amounts to a claim that they are false. You're every bit as much on the hook to substantiate your claims as he is to substantiate his I strongly disagree. He makes the claims; it's up to him to substantiate them. It doesn't work if people say anything they want and ask others to falsify them; we could all make up statements all day.
- throwanem 10y ago
  If the question is as clear as you make it sound, falsifying his statements should be trivial, with the beneficial effect of preventing anyone who cares about factuality from taking his claims seriously. Sounds like an easy win to me, if you can do it.

DominikR 10y ago

This is about a leak from a dating app for Muslims. So it doesn't make sense for me to write about the risks that someone in Hawaii or Germany might face after a similar leak. And sorry, but there are many types of sexual acts that are criminalised in Muslim countries. Not just adultery which is punishable by death in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Jemen, Qatar (and I'm sure there are many more) but also homosexuality where also the death penalty is applied in 11 Muslim countries. You can't brush that away by pointing to discrimination. Compared to the West these societies have in some areas truly horrific laws. Yes this is not true for all Muslim countries (Turkey, Bosnia and Indonesia comes to mind), but it is most of them. And where there is no death penalty, we often see honor killings which are not persecuted by their governments. (Pakistan) If no one speaks up about this then these societies will continue like this forever. I don't mean to hurt normal people in Muslim countries that just go about a normal life, but I also wont say everything is fine when it clearly isn't. And who could I hurt with this except for radicals or people unknowingly following or being played by radicals? There's also many things that are wrong in our societies, but one thing is for sure: You wont see US or EU citizens burn embassies to the ground or declaring Fatwas because someone criticised our society or culture.

hackuser 10y ago
> You can't brush that away by pointing to discrimination. I don't, I point to very poor reasoning and analysis. I challenge you to answer my questions above instead of posting more insubstantial analysis. I do point to discrimination where I see it; as you say: > If no one speaks up about this then these societies will continue like this forever But if one spreads ignorance, it persists forever, with great harm to the victims. So we must be careful to do the right thing. Let's look in the mirror first, and point out our own problems; we are just as flawed and human. ---- And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.