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This discussion painting an entire religion, condemning and insulting a billion individuals, as criminal and violent is ignorant and disgusting, and should not

This discussion painting an entire religion, condemning and insulting a billion individuals, as criminal and violent is ignorant and disgusting, and should not be on Hacker News (or anywhere else in civilized society). I can only imagine what Muslim readers of HN feel when reading it, seeing that our community - and YCombinator - appear to condone it. The problem isn't Muslims, Christians or any other religion; it's hateful, ignorant attitudes.

x5n1 10y ago
We need to talk about Islam's human rights problems all the time everywhere because that's the only way these problems will ever see the light of day. In Muslim countries these problems are always buried and there is a conspiracy to keep them buried so that no social progress can be made. That's immensely disrespectful to the victims of these problems. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zina#Human_rights_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zina#Human_rights_controversy
- hackuser 10y ago
  If you want to say certain governments have human rights problems, and we should speak out, I agree; some are in predominately Muslim countries but most are not. If you want to say some religion and its members promote human rights problems, I say that comment is ignorant and discriminatory. Ironically, by spreading that in our society, you are creating human rights problems.
  - x5n1 10y ago
    > Iran has prosecuted many cases of zina, and enforced public stoning to death of those accused between 2001 and 2010. Would love to see imprisoned for life or executed the people who justify and/or enforce such laws such as the current Iranian government. > In contrast to human rights activists, Islamic scholars and Islamist political parties consider 'universal human rights' arguments as imposition of a non-Muslim culture on Muslim people, a disrespect of customary cultural practices and sexual codes that are central to Islam. I mean to disrespect customary cultural practices and sexual codes central to Islam. I mean to say according to the above interpretation the sexual codes central to Islam have no place in modern society and neither does the enforcement of customary cultural practices as they are repressive and a violation of universal human rights.
Grue3 10y ago
Religion is the ideology that breeds and justifies those attitudes. We need to stop treating religion differently than any other beliefs people hold.
- hackuser 10y ago
  If you want to talk about religious (or any ideological) fundamentalism, that's fine. But to single out Islam is ignorance and prejudice; clearly you don't really know what you are talking about. These statements are very harmful; it's well known how incredible dangerous religious discrimination is; shouldn't you seriously study the issue (not Internet forums and talking heads, but real scholarship) before you talk about it? To paint all of Islam and all Muslims as reflecting these accusations is just plain stereotype; it's just unequivocally idiotic, ignorant and wrong; there is nothing redeeming to it, intellectually or otherwise.
- dang 10y ago
  Religious flamewars are off-topic on HN. Please don't do this here.
dang 10y ago
> seeing that our community - and YCombinator - appear to condone it Condone it? That could not be further from the truth. How many more comments do you think I should post about this? https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=comment&query=by:dang%20religious%20flamewar https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=...

x5n1 10y ago

We need to talk about Islam's human rights problems all the time everywhere because that's the only way these problems will ever see the light of day. In Muslim countries these problems are always buried and there is a conspiracy to keep them buried so that no social progress can be made. That's immensely disrespectful to the victims of these problems. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zina#Human_rights_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zina#Human_rights_controversy

hackuser 10y ago
If you want to say certain governments have human rights problems, and we should speak out, I agree; some are in predominately Muslim countries but most are not. If you want to say some religion and its members promote human rights problems, I say that comment is ignorant and discriminatory. Ironically, by spreading that in our society, you are creating human rights problems.
- x5n1 10y ago
  > Iran has prosecuted many cases of zina, and enforced public stoning to death of those accused between 2001 and 2010. Would love to see imprisoned for life or executed the people who justify and/or enforce such laws such as the current Iranian government. > In contrast to human rights activists, Islamic scholars and Islamist political parties consider 'universal human rights' arguments as imposition of a non-Muslim culture on Muslim people, a disrespect of customary cultural practices and sexual codes that are central to Islam. I mean to disrespect customary cultural practices and sexual codes central to Islam. I mean to say according to the above interpretation the sexual codes central to Islam have no place in modern society and neither does the enforcement of customary cultural practices as they are repressive and a violation of universal human rights.

Grue3 10y ago

Religion is the ideology that breeds and justifies those attitudes. We need to stop treating religion differently than any other beliefs people hold.

hackuser 10y ago
If you want to talk about religious (or any ideological) fundamentalism, that's fine. But to single out Islam is ignorance and prejudice; clearly you don't really know what you are talking about. These statements are very harmful; it's well known how incredible dangerous religious discrimination is; shouldn't you seriously study the issue (not Internet forums and talking heads, but real scholarship) before you talk about it? To paint all of Islam and all Muslims as reflecting these accusations is just plain stereotype; it's just unequivocally idiotic, ignorant and wrong; there is nothing redeeming to it, intellectually or otherwise.
dang 10y ago
Religious flamewars are off-topic on HN. Please don't do this here.

dang 10y ago

> seeing that our community - and YCombinator - appear to condone it Condone it? That could not be further from the truth. How many more comments do you think I should post about this? https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=comment&query=by:dang%20religious%20flamewar https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=...