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Yes, those absurd tax environments are in no way created by companies and their money. Not at all.

by Gargoyle 10y ago

threatofrain 10y ago
Do legislators not possess primary responsibility for their own actions?
- kafkaesq 10y ago
  No -- we do, unfortunately. And we don't have to put up with it, if we don't want to.
- pherq 10y ago
  This entire (sub)thread was started about how companies shouldn't be the ones blamed because legislators make it sweet for them to do so, why should the legislators bought by the companies foot all of the blame?
fizzbatter 10y ago
I agree with your sentiment, but ultimately Governments are the ones allowing and enabling it. If legal, corporations are just doing what is allowed. I hate them for it, but ultimately, i hate that it is allowed. If the law was put into place via illegal bribing/etc, then yes, both parties are to blame. But if it's all above board, then it's entirely on the Government imo. Take America for example. Lobbying is an utterly disgusting practice in my eyes, yet i can't blame the groups doing the lobbying. I would too if i had the resources. I blame the government for enabling lobbying, and not shutting it down as it stands now. Corporations have invaded Government, but ultimately the Government is what needs to be fixed to not allow corporations to get away with this. edit: And of course, you could just continue with the blame train, saying people are to blame, etcetc. I'd agree with you there too. We all need to do something, to fix this damn Government(s).
- kafkaesq 10y ago
  I agree with your sentiment, but ultimately Governments are the ones allowing and enabling it. Again, the key focus of the Spanish investigation is not into whether Google rationally took advantage of "loopholes" -- but whether they made false representations as to their business structure and the activities of their local subsidiaries. See today's El País article for an explanation of the authorities' reasons behind the raid.

Yes, those absurd tax environments are in no way created by companies and their money. Not at all.

threatofrain 10y ago

Do legislators not possess primary responsibility for their own actions?

kafkaesq 10y ago
No -- we do, unfortunately. And we don't have to put up with it, if we don't want to.
pherq 10y ago
This entire (sub)thread was started about how companies shouldn't be the ones blamed because legislators make it sweet for them to do so, why should the legislators bought by the companies foot all of the blame?

fizzbatter 10y ago

I agree with your sentiment, but ultimately Governments are the ones allowing and enabling it. If legal, corporations are just doing what is allowed. I hate them for it, but ultimately, i hate that it is allowed. If the law was put into place via illegal bribing/etc, then yes, both parties are to blame. But if it's all above board, then it's entirely on the Government imo. Take America for example. Lobbying is an utterly disgusting practice in my eyes, yet i can't blame the groups doing the lobbying. I would too if i had the resources. I blame the government for enabling lobbying, and not shutting it down as it stands now. Corporations have invaded Government, but ultimately the Government is what needs to be fixed to not allow corporations to get away with this. edit: And of course, you could just continue with the blame train, saying people are to blame, etcetc. I'd agree with you there too. We all need to do something, to fix this damn Government(s).

kafkaesq 10y ago
I agree with your sentiment, but ultimately Governments are the ones allowing and enabling it. Again, the key focus of the Spanish investigation is not into whether Google rationally took advantage of "loopholes" -- but whether they made false representations as to their business structure and the activities of their local subsidiaries. See today's El País article for an explanation of the authorities' reasons behind the raid.