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This is a serious security threat for many Muslims abroad, given that premarital sex is severely punishable in several Islamic countries (including Pakistan men
by bmmayer1 10y ago
This is a serious security threat for many Muslims abroad, given that premarital sex is severely punishable in several Islamic countries (including Pakistan mentioned in the leak), and even within countries where it isn't punishable by law, those who get caught frequently risk honor attacks from their families as has happened in the US, UK, India and elsewhere.
Obviously dating != sex but there's probably enough 'smoking gun' evidence of the latter to satisfy any sadist looking to inflict harm on these doxed folks.
- FreedomToCreate 10y agoIts a sad reality of the culture prevalent amongst poor and rich muslims. Hopefully no one becomes a target of any blasphemy laws. With that said, as someone who grew up as a direct witness to honor cultures and strong religious roots, labelling people who carry out violence as sadist is deluding yourself to reality. This isn't sadism, this isn't even fundamentalism. This is basis of a culture in which honor and religion are above anything else, and anything which deviates from the set rule is eliminated. Not doing so is considered outside the norm. For an easy read on honor cultures, check out chapter six of Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers and also watch HBO's doc on honor killings called A girl in the river.
- gbin 10y agoThere is nothing cut and dry: is the person in the crowd stoning a woman to a slow and painful death virtuous behind the cultural curtain ? Or part of a religious exploitation? Or part of a political exploitation ?
- FreedomToCreate 10y agoIt may not be cut and dry but you do people a great injustice if you blanket there beliefs and values held over generations as acts of religious or political exploitation. People have a choice, and they can choose the change if they want. Freedoms arose from people choosing to do so. And yes, if they have a strong belief in the hadith and the local cleric has ruled that there person is an adulterer and proves 4 people witnessed it (not hard to due in corrupt regimes anyway), then why wouldn't you feel virtuous while carrying out the punishment given by God.
- otempomores 10y agoThose believes manufacture the circumstances that lead to atrocities. Enough of this chicken egg blame game
- mpol 10y agoWhy call it a honor culture? That almost sounds positive. Here (Netherlands) it is often labelled as shame culture, where people do everything to avoid shame or put it under the carpet.
- douche 10y agoIt's something of a standard term[1] [1] http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/the-rise-of-victimhood-culture/404794/ http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/the-rise...
- jacquesm 10y agoI hope those in the 'nothing to hide' camp (also quite prevalent here on HN) will take their lessons from this too. The whole 'honor killings' stuff disgusts me, what is even more disgusting is that in plenty of places the authorities will tacitly allow this stuff to take place. There is no honor in it whatsoever.
- emodendroket 10y agoPeople trading marriage proposals doesn't seem that salacious, unless Vice is just picking uninteresting samples.
- mc32 10y agoI would hope Vice is being prudent in their examples. It'd potentially be hazardous to expose people's privacy even more.
- apta 10y agoThis is a matrimonial site, not a dating site.