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As someone who runs a niche news site, it's hard to see the point focusing on running a Facebook page anymore. We kind of go through the motions to keep up with

As someone who runs a niche news site, it's hard to see the point focusing on running a Facebook page anymore. We kind of go through the motions to keep up with appearances, but Facebook is less than 5% of our total overall traffic, and 95% of that portion is all from individuals sharing our content, not from our page directly. It's just impossible to "bid" on traffic via Facebook and win out over companies that have far bigger budgets, and most importantly feel that eyeballs are far more valuable. A visitor landing on one of our news stories likely is worth less than a few cents. A visitor to a consumer retail site could easily be worth hundreds of dollars. Guess who has the budget to bid big on traffic acquisition here. There isn't that much real estate for advertisers on FB, and with that it has become incredibly expensive for a media company to grow a legit audience through FB anymore as well. As a regular FB user though, I think this is an interesting move. I stopped using it to see what my friends are up to long ago as everyone moved to Instagram and Snapchat for their daily happenings. Facebook became a news aggregation service for me, much like Twitter. Might just be my friends, but only a handful are active on the service much anymore with daily updates.

dredmorbius 10y ago
What's your leading source of traffic? Is it Facebook in aggregate, some other site, or variable? Just because your FB shares don't directly feed your traffic doesn't mean they're useless. You might try A/B tracking on promoting stories through FB or not, and see how they track for views. (Though I've also had experiences with organic spread of stories -- sometimes something just hits a nerve and balloons.)
rokhayakebe 10y ago
Today I saw someone spend about 3 hours or more on Facebook (mobile): my new flatmate.
staticelf 10y ago
I help run a site that is completely dependent on links from large facebook pages/groups. Basically because it's almost 100% clickbait with some classic buzzfeed-kind of crap. This change has potential to bring the income way down from that site.
- Gracana 10y ago
  It sounds like you already realize this is a good move for everyone else, it just sucks for you.
  - superplussed 10y ago
    Yeah, when even the employees can't resist calling the content 'crap', you know the world is better off without it.
Jaruzel 10y ago
I can second this statement. I run three small webshops, and have found that advertising or page promotion on FB rarely yields any conversions. If you can't afford the big bucks on FB advert placement, you'll always lose out to the big brands. Google Adwords is exactly the same, especially around the holiday season. Globalisation in the main is a good thing, but what it has also done is push the smaller retailer out of the market.
mrweasel 10y ago
Generally speaking businesses doesn't have to be on Facebook. It was cool and all when Facebook was the new hotness, but at this point it's wasted energi. The whole idea that "users will engage with your business via Facebook (or any other social media)" is pretty much snake oil. Facebook engages your customer if they can win a price, or they want to complain, loudly and in public. Neither of these things helps your business. Assuming no click baiting, I would like to see an honest business that could not function, if they where not on Facebook. The only change I would like to see in the Facebook news feed is the ability to remember that I just want everything sorted by newest first. Perhaps simply the ability to disable "curated feed". My feed is already curated, by me.
- stdbrouw 10y ago
  Check out the Facebook pages of mom and pop stores, grocers and other local businesses in your area. Chances are you'll see a lot of interaction with loyal customers. Check out the Facebook pages of your favorite musicians, lots of interaction there too. It's not because you don't see it that it doesn't exist.
  - mrweasel 10y ago
    For very local or niche businesses I would say you're right. It's much easier, and cheaper for them and their customer to just maintain a Facebook page, rather than trying to build a website. I don't see a way for Facebook making money of these companies though. It's the companies that bring the audience to Facebook in this case, not the other way around. Facebook in these cases are just a glorified mailing lists. For mainstream businesses, like chain supermarket, Coca Cola and car makers, I still maintain it's wasted effort.
    - Ralfp 10y ago
      > For mainstream businesses, like chain supermarket, Coca Cola and car makers, I still maintain it's wasted effort. I'm working at one of top digital advertising agencies in EU. National and global brands save no buck on their spending on social media presence, and there are plenty of cheap (for them) tricks that result in both additional sales, positive PR and new customers. We also have strong data to back this up and justify our budgets. Sometimes it costs real peanuts. Its easy to pump sales for soda brand by going to Snapchat with staged clip going "PEOPLE!!! I WANT TO SEE HOW THIS SODA HELPS YOU BEAR WITH CURRENT HEATS!!!" with people in 13-30 range flocking back with clips of them demoing how soda helps them out stay cool. Then brand gifts dozen or two best submissions and next action ran month or two later attracts 120% the number previous one did, word of gifts and possible response from social media make sure of that. Whats in for, say, Lidl (large market store in EU), when it gives away stuff to guy who complained to them on twitter that he got diarrhea from expired pizza he bought at their place? It lets them save face, improve recognition of their brand and makes more people bring their feedback, allowing them find potential rotten apples within their chain. For young peopple especially the fact that large brand @'s them on twitter/face/insta or elsewhere is enough to go nuts, go to store, buy crazy amount of brand's product and then stage some photo or clip alone or with friends. And then there are followers who mimic this in hopes of getting social fame as well.
melvinmt 10y ago
> It's just impossible to "bid" on traffic via Facebook and win out over companies that have far bigger budgets Yes, impossible on the most broad and least targeted campaigns. But there's almost an infinite amount of targeting that you can do that will allow you to bypass anyone with just a tiny budget. You may just not be aware of the fb ad campaign strategies (and targeting options) that you're able to employ. Please take the time and watch this video: http://youtu.be/7zcVB-awAM0 http://youtu.be/7zcVB-awAM0 He's probably one of the most obnoxious presenters ever, but you'll come to appreciate the world of advanced facebook targeting and figure out a way to utilize it for your content marketing strategy.
tacos 10y ago
> It's just impossible to "bid" on traffic via Facebook and win out over companies that have far bigger budgets Not my experience at all. Also, have you seen their hyper-local ad-targeting options? As in, draw circles around neighborhoods, then choose "parents" who are interested in "children's clothing"? You can easily reach thousands of people with a $5/day budget. They'll even provide the stock photography for free.

dredmorbius 10y ago

What's your leading source of traffic? Is it Facebook in aggregate, some other site, or variable? Just because your FB shares don't directly feed your traffic doesn't mean they're useless. You might try A/B tracking on promoting stories through FB or not, and see how they track for views. (Though I've also had experiences with organic spread of stories -- sometimes something just hits a nerve and balloons.)

rokhayakebe 10y ago

Today I saw someone spend about 3 hours or more on Facebook (mobile): my new flatmate.

staticelf 10y ago

I help run a site that is completely dependent on links from large facebook pages/groups. Basically because it's almost 100% clickbait with some classic buzzfeed-kind of crap. This change has potential to bring the income way down from that site.

Gracana 10y ago
It sounds like you already realize this is a good move for everyone else, it just sucks for you.
- superplussed 10y ago
  Yeah, when even the employees can't resist calling the content 'crap', you know the world is better off without it.

Jaruzel 10y ago

I can second this statement. I run three small webshops, and have found that advertising or page promotion on FB rarely yields any conversions. If you can't afford the big bucks on FB advert placement, you'll always lose out to the big brands. Google Adwords is exactly the same, especially around the holiday season. Globalisation in the main is a good thing, but what it has also done is push the smaller retailer out of the market.

mrweasel 10y ago

Generally speaking businesses doesn't have to be on Facebook. It was cool and all when Facebook was the new hotness, but at this point it's wasted energi. The whole idea that "users will engage with your business via Facebook (or any other social media)" is pretty much snake oil. Facebook engages your customer if they can win a price, or they want to complain, loudly and in public. Neither of these things helps your business. Assuming no click baiting, I would like to see an honest business that could not function, if they where not on Facebook. The only change I would like to see in the Facebook news feed is the ability to remember that I just want everything sorted by newest first. Perhaps simply the ability to disable "curated feed". My feed is already curated, by me.

stdbrouw 10y ago
Check out the Facebook pages of mom and pop stores, grocers and other local businesses in your area. Chances are you'll see a lot of interaction with loyal customers. Check out the Facebook pages of your favorite musicians, lots of interaction there too. It's not because you don't see it that it doesn't exist.
- mrweasel 10y ago
  For very local or niche businesses I would say you're right. It's much easier, and cheaper for them and their customer to just maintain a Facebook page, rather than trying to build a website. I don't see a way for Facebook making money of these companies though. It's the companies that bring the audience to Facebook in this case, not the other way around. Facebook in these cases are just a glorified mailing lists. For mainstream businesses, like chain supermarket, Coca Cola and car makers, I still maintain it's wasted effort.
  - Ralfp 10y ago
    > For mainstream businesses, like chain supermarket, Coca Cola and car makers, I still maintain it's wasted effort. I'm working at one of top digital advertising agencies in EU. National and global brands save no buck on their spending on social media presence, and there are plenty of cheap (for them) tricks that result in both additional sales, positive PR and new customers. We also have strong data to back this up and justify our budgets. Sometimes it costs real peanuts. Its easy to pump sales for soda brand by going to Snapchat with staged clip going "PEOPLE!!! I WANT TO SEE HOW THIS SODA HELPS YOU BEAR WITH CURRENT HEATS!!!" with people in 13-30 range flocking back with clips of them demoing how soda helps them out stay cool. Then brand gifts dozen or two best submissions and next action ran month or two later attracts 120% the number previous one did, word of gifts and possible response from social media make sure of that. Whats in for, say, Lidl (large market store in EU), when it gives away stuff to guy who complained to them on twitter that he got diarrhea from expired pizza he bought at their place? It lets them save face, improve recognition of their brand and makes more people bring their feedback, allowing them find potential rotten apples within their chain. For young peopple especially the fact that large brand @'s them on twitter/face/insta or elsewhere is enough to go nuts, go to store, buy crazy amount of brand's product and then stage some photo or clip alone or with friends. And then there are followers who mimic this in hopes of getting social fame as well.

melvinmt 10y ago

> It's just impossible to "bid" on traffic via Facebook and win out over companies that have far bigger budgets Yes, impossible on the most broad and least targeted campaigns. But there's almost an infinite amount of targeting that you can do that will allow you to bypass anyone with just a tiny budget. You may just not be aware of the fb ad campaign strategies (and targeting options) that you're able to employ. Please take the time and watch this video: http://youtu.be/7zcVB-awAM0 http://youtu.be/7zcVB-awAM0 He's probably one of the most obnoxious presenters ever, but you'll come to appreciate the world of advanced facebook targeting and figure out a way to utilize it for your content marketing strategy.

tacos 10y ago

> It's just impossible to "bid" on traffic via Facebook and win out over companies that have far bigger budgets Not my experience at all. Also, have you seen their hyper-local ad-targeting options? As in, draw circles around neighborhoods, then choose "parents" who are interested in "children's clothing"? You can easily reach thousands of people with a $5/day budget. They'll even provide the stock photography for free.