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Mise en abyme
- mirimir 10y agoI'm reminded of I Am a Strange Loop and Gödel, Escher, Bach by Douglas Hofstadter. About recursiveness being at the heart of consciousness.
- inopinatus 10y agoThere's a thesis that all particles are information, and all information is functional, thus perception is merely the lazy evaluation of the universe.
- cel1ne 10y agoHow does quantum mechanic's randomness come into play here?
- cleeus 10y agocompiler bugs - use of uninitialized memory
- rprospero 10y agoThe answer is to use one of the "hidden variable" interpretations of quantum mechanics. Bell's experiments have ruled out local hidden variables, but hidden variables that violate locality are still permitted. Since this function takes the global state of the universe (hidden variables included) as its input and returns a new one for its output, there is no restriction for locality, so it remains consistent. Whether its philosophically fulfilling is left as an exercise to the reader.
- lmm 10y agoIt doesn't have to be random - you can take a many-worlds interpretation where there is a "block history" that just branches into branches with a certain "mass", and the Born probabilities are just the subjective probabilities of finding ourselves in one Everett branch or another.
- malka 10y agoIt is possible that it is non-random, but we do not have the tools / insight to perceive the patterns.
- DaWeasel 10y agoDid I miss something ?
- return0 10y agoSomeone should put a screenshot of the article in that article.
- almorelle 10y agoI was expecting that...
- jonsen 10y agoBut how much stack space would you need?
- kalden_ 10y agoAlready the case on the French wiki (and it was on the top of the article for a long time). https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mise_en_abyme.jpg?uselang=fr https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mise_en_abyme.jpg?us...
- return0 10y agoWonder why it was removed.
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- taneq 10y agoOh great, now we're gonna have language hipsters referring to their functions as "mise en abyme" instead of just saying "recursive" like we've been doing for the past 40 years.
- thatfrenchguy 10y agoEverything looks better in French.
- mmanfrin 10y agoPlease implement Fizz Buzz mise en abymely.
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- Angostura 10y agoI rather enjoy these little random nuggets that get posted to Hacker News.
- doe88 10y agoLikewise, everytime I see the target url links to Wikipedia, I clic, it's almost always something insightful.
- maelito 10y agoAlso read this : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12005869 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12005869
- dest 10y agonice example of mise en abyme ;)
- hopfog 10y agoI made a game based on the Droste effect for Ludum Dare 31 where the theme was "Entire Game on One Screen". http://hopfog.com/screenception http://hopfog.com/screenception
- mavhc 10y agoQuite interesting, I ended up just staring at the timer and moving the mouse to the other side of the screen for the first version. And side to side for the 3rd
- sakri 10y agoAh, so the play in Braavos depicting recent events in Kings Landing is a Mise en abyme homage to Shakespeares Hamlet. takes minute sip of $40 ristretto
- BanzaiTokyo 10y agoFor a French person, it is very difficult to see the value of the link here.
- yitchelle 10y agoYou dont't have to be French to not see the value of this link. I'm an Australian, living in Germany with a Chinese ancestry and I can't see how this is HN relevant.
- elcapitan 10y agoI'm a German wearing Spanish shoes and I had Arabic lunch and I can clearly see how this is HN relevant (hint: recursion).
- obj-g 10y agoWhat a ridiculous comment. As if you automatically have total understanding of a concept if the term used for it is in your native language.
- BanzaiTokyo 10y agoFrench is not my native language, however the wikipedia link adds absolutely nothing to what I already knew. And don't get me wrong, I don't claim to "have total understanding of a concept". To see what I am talking about, imagine instead of the link this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursion
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- wazari972 10y ago(as a French speaker,) I'm not sure to agree with the comments that associate "mise en abyme" with recursivity. For me, examples of mise en abyme is a film shot in a movie, or story read from a book in a book. In CS, it means a function called from another function ... which is not necessarily recursivity :)
- filmor 10y ago"recursion" is calling a function from itself. You usually want this to terminate at some point, though, and thus will have some kind of branching, so it's not "en abyme".
- pierrec 10y agoThat was also my first thought, but after consideration, there's more to "mise en abyme" than simply placing a story within another. I think in France everyone learns this term at least in high school, specifically applied to literature, and the way I was taught is that something in the inner story reflects something in the outer story. So for example, you'd talk about the "mise en abyme" of a specific relationship between two characters. This brings it a bit closer to self-similar recursion, but I agree it's still quite different and generally not about fully self-referential concepts (IMO Wikipedia goes a bit over the top in that regard).
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- waqf 10y agoOh Wikipedia, wrong in the very first sentence. "Mise" can indeed mean "placed", but here it's a kind of gerund and means "placing". (I looked for a Wikipedia reference to describe how this aspect of French grammar works, but all I can find is http://forum.wordreference.com/threads/fr-nouns-formed-from-the-past-participle-and-gender.2237940/ http://forum.wordreference.com/threads/fr-nouns-formed-from-...)