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Yeah, but who cares? I'm not making a normative statement here, I'm simply stating the fact that no one will come after you if you do this. Companies and colle

Yeah, but who cares? I'm not making a normative statement here, I'm simply stating the fact that no one will come after you if you do this. Companies and colleges say all the time that they're looking for a specific ratio of races and genders and nothing happens to them.

CobrastanJorji 10y ago
I would very much like to see an example of a major company publishing its desired specific ratios of races and genders.
- arprocter 10y ago
  Not a ratio per say, but there was this[0] recent controversy [0]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/03/bbc-criticised-by-mps-and-job-applicants-over-training-placement/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/03/bbc-criticised-by...
NetTechM 10y ago
I think you are talking about affirmative action, not so much a specific guide to hiring process. The law states that x ratio of specific minorities have to be hired/enrolled per year as a catch up mechanism that is largely outdated in 2016. As far as University enrollment, women have led the numbers for years so that isn't really at the heart of it. More so the subjects they choose as a major/minor being the issue. Marketing STEM majors to minorities and women has been a priority for a short amount of time, so we will see how it pans out in the next decade.
- killface 10y ago
  And that also means that at some point (ideally in the very near future), we're just going to have to be OK with the idea that not all women want to be STEM majors. This necessarily and explicitly means that the ratio will never be 50/50. We're all ok with the idea that men don't really want to be early childhood educators (Pre-k through grade 2). It's a big deal when a guy applies for those jobs, according to teachers I know. Then, of course, come the endless jokes about the pedophile trying to get a job with kids, how he is going to need a female escort when dealing with the kids, etc.
sushisource 10y ago
Well, not entirely true: http://www.npr.org/2016/06/01/479795967/asian-american-groups-target-top-ivy-league-schools-for-racial-discrimination http://www.npr.org/2016/06/01/479795967/asian-american-group...
dragonwriter 10y ago
> Companies and colleges say all the time that they're looking for a specific ratio of races and genders and nothing happens to them. That's because that's not illegal. Hiring only X (gender/race/etc.) to achieve the ratio you want, OTOH, is among the many means to realize such targets that are illegal.
cderwin 10y ago
> colleges say all the time that they're looking for a specific ratio of races and genders and nothing happens to them. This was specifically found unconstitutional in Bakke (1979)[1] and had very real consequences for UC Davis. While I don't know about the internals of any state university admission programs, I find it highly unlikely any state schools would publicly acknowledge that they seek specific racial quotas as that puts them in immediate and grave legal jeopardy. [1] https://www.oyez.org/cases/1979/76-811 https://www.oyez.org/cases/1979/76-811

CobrastanJorji 10y ago

I would very much like to see an example of a major company publishing its desired specific ratios of races and genders.

arprocter 10y ago
Not a ratio per say, but there was this[0] recent controversy [0]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/03/bbc-criticised-by-mps-and-job-applicants-over-training-placement/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/03/bbc-criticised-by...

NetTechM 10y ago

I think you are talking about affirmative action, not so much a specific guide to hiring process. The law states that x ratio of specific minorities have to be hired/enrolled per year as a catch up mechanism that is largely outdated in 2016. As far as University enrollment, women have led the numbers for years so that isn't really at the heart of it. More so the subjects they choose as a major/minor being the issue. Marketing STEM majors to minorities and women has been a priority for a short amount of time, so we will see how it pans out in the next decade.

killface 10y ago
And that also means that at some point (ideally in the very near future), we're just going to have to be OK with the idea that not all women want to be STEM majors. This necessarily and explicitly means that the ratio will never be 50/50. We're all ok with the idea that men don't really want to be early childhood educators (Pre-k through grade 2). It's a big deal when a guy applies for those jobs, according to teachers I know. Then, of course, come the endless jokes about the pedophile trying to get a job with kids, how he is going to need a female escort when dealing with the kids, etc.

sushisource 10y ago

Well, not entirely true: http://www.npr.org/2016/06/01/479795967/asian-american-groups-target-top-ivy-league-schools-for-racial-discrimination http://www.npr.org/2016/06/01/479795967/asian-american-group...

dragonwriter 10y ago

> Companies and colleges say all the time that they're looking for a specific ratio of races and genders and nothing happens to them. That's because that's not illegal. Hiring only X (gender/race/etc.) to achieve the ratio you want, OTOH, is among the many means to realize such targets that are illegal.

cderwin 10y ago

> colleges say all the time that they're looking for a specific ratio of races and genders and nothing happens to them. This was specifically found unconstitutional in Bakke (1979)[1] and had very real consequences for UC Davis. While I don't know about the internals of any state university admission programs, I find it highly unlikely any state schools would publicly acknowledge that they seek specific racial quotas as that puts them in immediate and grave legal jeopardy. [1] https://www.oyez.org/cases/1979/76-811 https://www.oyez.org/cases/1979/76-811