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"The project is composed of several parts: a virtual machine (dubbed "Nock"), an operating system ("Arvo"), a programming language ("Hoon") and a peer-to-peer n

"The project is composed of several parts: a virtual machine (dubbed "Nock"), an operating system ("Arvo"), a programming language ("Hoon") and a peer-to-peer network ("Ames")." You can introduce any one of those and possibly survive. Doing all four at once? You're doomed. Sorry.

danpalmer 10y ago
Interestingly, their whole "thing" seems to be that you can't re-invent one of them well without doing the others, so they appear to see themselves as doomed if they don't re-invent all of them.
frou_dh 10y ago
What's that quote ... people who say something cannot be done should not interrupt those doing it ?
- astrodust 10y ago
  I'm not saying it isn't worth trying, but for every additional disruption built into this offering the probability of success plunges dramatically. Do we really need a new everything? What problems do these new things solve that couldn't be addressed through other mature technologies used in new and novel ways? Maybe we do, but if that's the case they've done a terrible job of articulating why. Most importantly: How can you possibly secure all these things given the complex nature of interactions between all of them?
- yongjik 10y ago
  Personally, I prefer this quote from Hannessy and Patterson: > The level below main memory contains rotating magnetic disks that take millions of clock cycles to access. Because of the great discrepancy in access time, no one has yet built a virtual memory operating system that writes through main memory to disk on every store by the processor. (This remark should not be interpreted as an opportunity to become famous by being the first to build one!)
- zeven7 10y ago
  "As an older friend, I must advise you against it, for, in the first place you will not succeed, and even if you succeed, no one will believe you" (Max Planck to Einstein on his pursuit to develop a new theory of gravity).
mahyarm 10y ago
Feels like remaking unix
dnautics 10y ago
I don't think so. I struggle to understand the things they are building, but one of the very nice features is that each of them is structured in a way to make them provably correct. That's definitely a potential value-add, and it needs to be in at least Nock, Arvo, and Hoon.

danpalmer 10y ago

Interestingly, their whole "thing" seems to be that you can't re-invent one of them well without doing the others, so they appear to see themselves as doomed if they don't re-invent all of them.

frou_dh 10y ago

What's that quote ... people who say something cannot be done should not interrupt those doing it ?

astrodust 10y ago
I'm not saying it isn't worth trying, but for every additional disruption built into this offering the probability of success plunges dramatically. Do we really need a new everything? What problems do these new things solve that couldn't be addressed through other mature technologies used in new and novel ways? Maybe we do, but if that's the case they've done a terrible job of articulating why. Most importantly: How can you possibly secure all these things given the complex nature of interactions between all of them?
yongjik 10y ago
Personally, I prefer this quote from Hannessy and Patterson: > The level below main memory contains rotating magnetic disks that take millions of clock cycles to access. Because of the great discrepancy in access time, no one has yet built a virtual memory operating system that writes through main memory to disk on every store by the processor. (This remark should not be interpreted as an opportunity to become famous by being the first to build one!)
zeven7 10y ago
"As an older friend, I must advise you against it, for, in the first place you will not succeed, and even if you succeed, no one will believe you" (Max Planck to Einstein on his pursuit to develop a new theory of gravity).

mahyarm 10y ago

Feels like remaking unix

dnautics 10y ago

I don't think so. I struggle to understand the things they are building, but one of the very nice features is that each of them is structured in a way to make them provably correct. That's definitely a potential value-add, and it needs to be in at least Nock, Arvo, and Hoon.