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What evidence do you have that some speaking patterns are more common with women? Can you link to some data? Edit: Lots of opinions here. Still no data.

MasterScrat 10y ago
I don't know about cues in spoken English, but you can find relevant articles about written text from this page: https://civic.mit.edu/blog/natematias/best-practices-for-ethical-gender-research-at-very-large-scales https://civic.mit.edu/blog/natematias/best-practices-for-eth... Read under "Inferring Gender from Content".
- jsprogrammer 10y ago
  I did. That section is primarily discussing analysing the pronouns used to find a gender of the target, or exploit word based genders in those languages (French in one instance) that support it. Other examples were a selective study on Twitter, where the experimenters don't even know the true gender, or even humanity, of the user. The author of the section seems to disclaim the entire idea, somewhat (as it probably should be). I was looking for something that could hold up to the claim that individuals of the same gender do, in fact, have common speech patterns. For example, "this pattern has only been observed with women", and, "this pattern has only been seen with men".
windust 10y ago
not quite patterns, but preferences :) https://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results/ https://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results/
Jemmeh 10y ago
Just to be clear, men do vocal fry and uptalk(ending sentences with upward inflection/making it sound like a question) too. Just less often. And not all women use uptalk and vocal fry. Uptalk is more common in women: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/23/overturning-the-myth-of-valley-girl-speak/ http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/23/overturning-the-myt... Vocal fry is more common in women: "An examination of creaky voice occurring in natural conversations among relatively young educated American and Japanese speakers revealed that female speakers of American English residing in California employed creaky voice much more frequently than comparable American male and Japanese female speakers." http://americanspeech.dukejournals.org/content/85/3/315.abstract http://americanspeech.dukejournals.org/content/85/3/315.abst... (Edit: I'd like to find better resources on this if available. These seem to be small studies.)
- jsprogrammer 10y ago
  The NYT blog post starts out discussing regional dialects, then presents a study of 23 Southern Californians aged 18-22... The only study the post links to is paywalled and the link to a conference paper is dead. Your second link is also paywalled.
  - Jemmeh 10y ago
    I've found most studies to be paywalled in general aside from the free abstract. Not really sure what to do about that.
    - omginternets 10y ago
      Scihub, though I can't find a functioning mirror right now.
    - jsprogrammer 10y ago
      You could quote the relevant part of the study, or, not link to paywalls. [It's not your fault, just the current reality.]
      - peyton 10y ago
        Unfortunately, quoting the relevant parts of a study (namely, methods and results) for the purpose of disseminating evidence is a weak fair use case at best. That's why generally in a work you'll see "reproduced with permission" underneath figures and tables taken from other works. The case for fair use is stronger if the work is criticism of the source material. It's a huge gray area, and some journals pursue claims relentlessly.
  - coherentpony 10y ago
    You're absolutely right, and I have no idea why you're being downvoted.
    - jsprogrammer 10y ago

MasterScrat 10y ago

I don't know about cues in spoken English, but you can find relevant articles about written text from this page: https://civic.mit.edu/blog/natematias/best-practices-for-ethical-gender-research-at-very-large-scales https://civic.mit.edu/blog/natematias/best-practices-for-eth... Read under "Inferring Gender from Content".

jsprogrammer 10y ago
I did. That section is primarily discussing analysing the pronouns used to find a gender of the target, or exploit word based genders in those languages (French in one instance) that support it. Other examples were a selective study on Twitter, where the experimenters don't even know the true gender, or even humanity, of the user. The author of the section seems to disclaim the entire idea, somewhat (as it probably should be). I was looking for something that could hold up to the claim that individuals of the same gender do, in fact, have common speech patterns. For example, "this pattern has only been observed with women", and, "this pattern has only been seen with men".

windust 10y ago

not quite patterns, but preferences :) https://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results/ https://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results/

Jemmeh 10y ago

Just to be clear, men do vocal fry and uptalk(ending sentences with upward inflection/making it sound like a question) too. Just less often. And not all women use uptalk and vocal fry. Uptalk is more common in women: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/23/overturning-the-myth-of-valley-girl-speak/ http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/23/overturning-the-myt... Vocal fry is more common in women: "An examination of creaky voice occurring in natural conversations among relatively young educated American and Japanese speakers revealed that female speakers of American English residing in California employed creaky voice much more frequently than comparable American male and Japanese female speakers." http://americanspeech.dukejournals.org/content/85/3/315.abstract http://americanspeech.dukejournals.org/content/85/3/315.abst... (Edit: I'd like to find better resources on this if available. These seem to be small studies.)

jsprogrammer 10y ago
The NYT blog post starts out discussing regional dialects, then presents a study of 23 Southern Californians aged 18-22... The only study the post links to is paywalled and the link to a conference paper is dead. Your second link is also paywalled.
- Jemmeh 10y ago
  I've found most studies to be paywalled in general aside from the free abstract. Not really sure what to do about that.
  - omginternets 10y ago
    Scihub, though I can't find a functioning mirror right now.
  - jsprogrammer 10y ago
    You could quote the relevant part of the study, or, not link to paywalls. [It's not your fault, just the current reality.]
    - peyton 10y ago
      Unfortunately, quoting the relevant parts of a study (namely, methods and results) for the purpose of disseminating evidence is a weak fair use case at best. That's why generally in a work you'll see "reproduced with permission" underneath figures and tables taken from other works. The case for fair use is stronger if the work is criticism of the source material. It's a huge gray area, and some journals pursue claims relentlessly.
- coherentpony 10y ago
  You're absolutely right, and I have no idea why you're being downvoted.
  - jsprogrammer 10y ago