> It doesn't need to be 3d, or need all these fancy bells and whistles. Nowhere has that been suggested (at least in anything I've written) You literally just

> It doesn't need to be 3d, or need all these fancy bells and whistles. Nowhere has that been suggested (at least in anything I've written) You literally just suggested a pretty isometric visualiser become the new basis for the game UI. That's a bit like complaining that vim is obtuse and to fix it we should switch its rendering engine to use proportional fonts. > just make the UI intuitive Oh yes, "just" do that. If you actually have something new to suggest, feel free to contribute: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?board=5.0 http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?board=5.0 Generally the attitude is perpetually "yes, it'd be nice, but then we also want all this other stuff". And at the end of the day, Toady does what Toady does, he doesn't owe us anything.