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Why has this been flagged?

by 627467 10y ago

minimaxir 10y ago
Almost anything with "Gawker" in the headline tends to get flagged.
- mudil 10y ago
  Really?! This article is not about Gawker per se, but rather about the possible future of journalism. Wired, a respectable publication, thought it was worth to publish this piece. Google News runs it as a featured content. Dang, what's your explanation?
- codybrown 10y ago
  I'm the author of this piece. why is mentioning Gawker grounds for 'flagging/banning' this?
  - minimaxir 10y ago
    Some people really do not like Gawker.
    - codybrown 10y ago
      this post is about what happens if Gawker is destroyed by thiel... if people really don't like gawker, then I really don't think they'll like what is likely to come next. this is a prohibitionist argument and it seems like a good thing for Hacker News to discuss instead of flagging.
thatcat 10y ago
>Paul Graham, co-founder of Y Combinator, unfollowed me after I tweeted in support of Gawker.
- dang 10y ago
  We don't moderate articles because of silly gossip about pg or anyone else.
  - codybrown 10y ago
    I'm the author of this post. what about this is gossip?
    - dang 10y ago
      Who unfollowed whom on Twitter is gossip. My point is that HN moderators (I'm one of them btw) didn't moderate this article, and would never do so merely because someone said a thing about pg (which is what the comment upthread seemed to me to imply).
  - thatcat 10y ago
    It was from the article, guess you consider quoting the primary source of the article that was posted to be 'gossip'
    - dang 10y ago
      Oh yes, I know (and I'm not sure I'm reading your comments correctly) but the point is that the presence of that statement in the article doesn't affect its moderation status on HN.
user9694569 10y ago
Yes, HN desperately needs to read yet another journalist threaten the masses with 'worse' for anyone daring to stand up to them.
- codybrown 10y ago
  did you read the piece? I'm not a journalist.
dang 10y ago
Users flagged it, perhaps because they felt it wasn't substantive, added no new information to an already-discussed topic, or was sensational.
- codybrown 10y ago
  hey dang. author here. This is an argument about the darker implications of Thiel's lawsuit on the tech industry. can you point me to a place on Hacker News where there has been a good discussion about this before? I've seen plenty of people rail against gawker, but haven't seen much discussion about what this could lead to. it's a pretty straight forward prohibitionist argument.
  - dang 10y ago
    I don't know about good discussion, but there have certainly been plentiful posts. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=gawker%20thiel&sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?query=gawker%20thiel&sort=byDate&pre... https://hn.algolia.com/?query=gawker%20points%3E10&sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?query=gawker%20points%3E10&sort=byDa...
    - mudil 10y ago
      That's just such an intellectually dishonest response, Dang. Your links are just a smoke screen. The article does not discuss Gawker vs Thiel details, but rather talks about the future of journalism. Furthermore, I challenge you to produce a link that talks about investigate journalism being forced into WikiLeaks/dark net mode. What happened with gawker will have repercussions. And just like in 1920s, when rubber barons were hiding from people behind tall walls of their Long Island estates, today's net elite is hiding behind digital walls and these lawsuits.
      - dang 10y ago
        Pretty sure we've had a number of big discussions about the implications for journalism (didn't Jay Rosen or somebody like that write about this?) and you're welcome to use HN Search to find them. The community reaction to this post is unremarkable; it isn't a very good submission for HN, primarily because the site has been Gawker-Thieled thoroughly already, but also because it's sensationally written and doesn't go very deep. The community norms on this kind of thing are well-established. Perhaps there are other communities that would enjoy debating this piece, but there's no surprise in HN not being one.

Why has this been flagged?

by 627467 10y ago

Why has this been flagged?

minimaxir 10y ago

Almost anything with "Gawker" in the headline tends to get flagged.

mudil 10y ago
Really?! This article is not about Gawker per se, but rather about the possible future of journalism. Wired, a respectable publication, thought it was worth to publish this piece. Google News runs it as a featured content. Dang, what's your explanation?
codybrown 10y ago
I'm the author of this piece. why is mentioning Gawker grounds for 'flagging/banning' this?
- minimaxir 10y ago
  Some people really do not like Gawker.
  - codybrown 10y ago
    this post is about what happens if Gawker is destroyed by thiel... if people really don't like gawker, then I really don't think they'll like what is likely to come next. this is a prohibitionist argument and it seems like a good thing for Hacker News to discuss instead of flagging.

thatcat 10y ago

>Paul Graham, co-founder of Y Combinator, unfollowed me after I tweeted in support of Gawker.

dang 10y ago
We don't moderate articles because of silly gossip about pg or anyone else.
- codybrown 10y ago
  I'm the author of this post. what about this is gossip?
  - dang 10y ago
    Who unfollowed whom on Twitter is gossip. My point is that HN moderators (I'm one of them btw) didn't moderate this article, and would never do so merely because someone said a thing about pg (which is what the comment upthread seemed to me to imply).
- thatcat 10y ago
  It was from the article, guess you consider quoting the primary source of the article that was posted to be 'gossip'
  - dang 10y ago
    Oh yes, I know (and I'm not sure I'm reading your comments correctly) but the point is that the presence of that statement in the article doesn't affect its moderation status on HN.

user9694569 10y ago

Yes, HN desperately needs to read yet another journalist threaten the masses with 'worse' for anyone daring to stand up to them.

codybrown 10y ago
did you read the piece? I'm not a journalist.

dang 10y ago

Users flagged it, perhaps because they felt it wasn't substantive, added no new information to an already-discussed topic, or was sensational.

codybrown 10y ago
hey dang. author here. This is an argument about the darker implications of Thiel's lawsuit on the tech industry. can you point me to a place on Hacker News where there has been a good discussion about this before? I've seen plenty of people rail against gawker, but haven't seen much discussion about what this could lead to. it's a pretty straight forward prohibitionist argument.
- dang 10y ago
  I don't know about good discussion, but there have certainly been plentiful posts. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=gawker%20thiel&sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?query=gawker%20thiel&sort=byDate&pre... https://hn.algolia.com/?query=gawker%20points%3E10&sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?query=gawker%20points%3E10&sort=byDa...
  - mudil 10y ago
    That's just such an intellectually dishonest response, Dang. Your links are just a smoke screen. The article does not discuss Gawker vs Thiel details, but rather talks about the future of journalism. Furthermore, I challenge you to produce a link that talks about investigate journalism being forced into WikiLeaks/dark net mode. What happened with gawker will have repercussions. And just like in 1920s, when rubber barons were hiding from people behind tall walls of their Long Island estates, today's net elite is hiding behind digital walls and these lawsuits.
    - dang 10y ago
      Pretty sure we've had a number of big discussions about the implications for journalism (didn't Jay Rosen or somebody like that write about this?) and you're welcome to use HN Search to find them. The community reaction to this post is unremarkable; it isn't a very good submission for HN, primarily because the site has been Gawker-Thieled thoroughly already, but also because it's sensationally written and doesn't go very deep. The community norms on this kind of thing are well-established. Perhaps there are other communities that would enjoy debating this piece, but there's no surprise in HN not being one.