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Have you got some links about this?

by swombat 17y ago

staunch 17y ago
Most obvious one: March 2005: http://www.paulgraham.com/start.html http://www.paulgraham.com/start.html "Not Spending it". From Eric Ries: Sep 2008: http://www.startuplessonslearned.com/2008/09/lean-startup.html http://www.startuplessonslearned.com/2008/09/lean-startup.ht... "1. Lean in the sense of low-burn..."
- swombat 17y ago
  I don't see the word "lean" used once in that article by PG, so for now, I'm going to continue to assume that Eric Ries largely coined "lean start-up" and so has some ownership of the definition of it.
  - shadowsun7 17y ago
    Not the idea, though. I can't remember anyone before PG arguing that startups today cost less to run, and so therefore should be funded lightly, and built for low cash-burn. In the essay above PG argues against "getting big fast". Which is a rough way of saying "stay lean". That being said - Horowitz seems to be limiting his advice to 'high-tech' startups. Note the penultimate paragraph. Not sure if the advice applies to startups in general.
    - swombat 17y ago
      Ok, so... Person A comes up with a term, let's call this term X. Other people start mis-defining X as something else, let's call it Y. Person B happened to talk about Y before person A talked about X. Therefore, your argument goes, person A's definition of X is wrong? Either I'm not following you, or your arguments are not following each other. Eric Ries doesn't advise against getting big fast. He advises to get big as fast as possible, where "possible" is defined by the product-market fit that's been reached.
  - mbrubeck 17y ago
    Also, Eric Ries himself says his "Lean Startup" methodology is adapted from the widely-adopted "Lean Manufacturing" methodology, which in turn is based on Toyota's TPS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lean_manufacturing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lean_manufacturing http://www.startuplessonslearned.com/2009/12/what-is-lean-about-lean-startup.html http://www.startuplessonslearned.com/2009/12/what-is-lean-ab... The fact that it is based on Toyota should be a clue that the "Lean" methodologies are not about size, but about efficiency. "Lean is centered around preserving value with less work" There are people using "Lean" as a new buzzword for small.

Have you got some links about this?

by swombat 17y ago

Have you got some links about this?

Most obvious one: March 2005: http://www.paulgraham.com/start.html http://www.paulgraham.com/start.html "Not Spending it". From Eric Ries: Sep 2008: http://www.startuplessonslearned.com/2008/09/lean-startup.html http://www.startuplessonslearned.com/2008/09/lean-startup.ht... "1. Lean in the sense of low-burn..."

swombat 17y ago
I don't see the word "lean" used once in that article by PG, so for now, I'm going to continue to assume that Eric Ries largely coined "lean start-up" and so has some ownership of the definition of it.
- shadowsun7 17y ago
  Not the idea, though. I can't remember anyone before PG arguing that startups today cost less to run, and so therefore should be funded lightly, and built for low cash-burn. In the essay above PG argues against "getting big fast". Which is a rough way of saying "stay lean". That being said - Horowitz seems to be limiting his advice to 'high-tech' startups. Note the penultimate paragraph. Not sure if the advice applies to startups in general.
  - swombat 17y ago
    Ok, so... Person A comes up with a term, let's call this term X. Other people start mis-defining X as something else, let's call it Y. Person B happened to talk about Y before person A talked about X. Therefore, your argument goes, person A's definition of X is wrong? Either I'm not following you, or your arguments are not following each other. Eric Ries doesn't advise against getting big fast. He advises to get big as fast as possible, where "possible" is defined by the product-market fit that's been reached.
- mbrubeck 17y ago
  Also, Eric Ries himself says his "Lean Startup" methodology is adapted from the widely-adopted "Lean Manufacturing" methodology, which in turn is based on Toyota's TPS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lean_manufacturing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lean_manufacturing http://www.startuplessonslearned.com/2009/12/what-is-lean-about-lean-startup.html http://www.startuplessonslearned.com/2009/12/what-is-lean-ab... The fact that it is based on Toyota should be a clue that the "Lean" methodologies are not about size, but about efficiency. "Lean is centered around preserving value with less work" There are people using "Lean" as a new buzzword for small.