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> a) it is not racism but classified as such by the left Then what would you call it? Racism has been growing across the west in line with discussion of immig
by anexprogrammer 10y ago
> a) it is not racism but classified as such by the left
Then what would you call it?
Racism has been growing across the west in line with discussion of immigrants and refugees. The last two months, and especially since result, has seen a change in the UK I cannot explain by other means. It's more than just immigrants at Calais, or Poles and Latvians - all of that has been there a decade or more without people being quite so blatant about it. Something has changed. If not brexit and the campaign how else do you explain the last two months? For heaven's sake there's a huge amount of incidents along the lines "you lost, get out" which is highly indicative of mindset, no?
> But what I do know is that leaving the EU is not as suicidal as people make it sound to be.
I happen to agree, even though I was in favour of remain. However, this particular means of leaving the EU, at this time, in this way seems to have higher than evens chance of poor outcome.
What do I mean by that?
The first exit by any nation is likely to receive poorer terms than they might expect in any subsequent trade negotions, "pour encourager les autres".
In lacking any plan, team or responsibility for the outcome we are even less likely to get good deals. Both sides should have been planning, the FO should have been using our alleged diplomatic skills to start forming plans and allies. Start thinking about trade missions and so forth.
Selling brexit by means of a series of lies has split the country (cf 350m a week to the NHS with Farage and Boris the morning after result) in a way that was near unthinkable.
So no, leaving the EU need not be anywhere near as suicidal as people make it out to be, but leaving the EU in such a clumsy, ill-prepared and scare driven, manner could easily be.
- demonshalo 10y ago> The first exit by any nation is likely to receive poorer terms than they might expect in any subsequent trade negotions, "pour encourager les autres". Absolutely. But someone has to be the first. Could/should it have been someone else? absolutely, but that's just how things unfolded. > In lacking any plan, team or responsibility for the outcome we are even less likely to get good deals. Couldn't agree more. I just think that the anti-EU themselves did not believe it would happen so fast.
- brador 10y agoI find the media, here and in the UK, have become more accepting of racism. Encouraging it. Against blacks and mexicans and muslims here, and against polish and refugees there. This creates an aura of conformity as viewers and readers nod to the views of their favorite talkers eventually absorbing them into their own. The ultimate effect of this can be seen in the Rwandan genocide. It was the radio that made people do it in that case.