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I happen to think the parent is quite right, but that I would go further and say that Brexit is definitely bat-shit insane. The UK has now pissed off the EU wh

I happen to think the parent is quite right, but that I would go further and say that Brexit is definitely bat-shit insane. The UK has now pissed off the EU who will NOT be giving the UK favourable terms to leave the EU. Scotland will succeed and NI... well who knows what will happen there. And don't try and minimise the outbreak of racism in the UK as if it's "happening everywhere". It's not happening here in NZ. And when people are being abused by yobos specifically referencing the Brexit vote, it makes your argument patently false and frankly, disgusting. I've followed the arguments for and against and it's pretty clear that the biggest common denominator in the Leave argument is "It's the immagrunts, innit?". I will give you that Brexit is not literally "suicidal" but economically it will be close and it terms of the UK's image to the rest of the world - the damage there is already done. You look like a bunch of racist, impetuous, sulky, ill-informed yobos blaming the world's victims for the acts of the very people you voted into office.

vlehto 10y ago
"UK's image to the rest of the world" British tourists have already ruined it. For anybody who is consistently anti-imperialist, Scotland breaking of UK is just cherry on top of the cake.
demonshalo 10y ago
> the damage there is already done. You look like a bunch of racist, impetuous, sulky, ill-informed yobos blaming the world's victims for the acts of the very people you voted into office. So lets see, which is more likely? a) It just so happened that France, Sweden, Norway, UK and a bunch of other countries turned racist over night (see the rise in numbers of voters for the extreme right parties), or b) you are wrong because you have an incomplete picture of how the world actually looks like? I'll let you decide which one it is.
- peterashford 10y ago
  I am claiming that economic hardship coupled with a ready scapegoat at hand leads to scapegoating. Are you claiming that this has never happened before in the world? I'm pretty sure if I try REALLLY hard, I might even be able to think of an example or two in European history. You have to be pretty ignorant of history if you can't find parallels with Irish, Jews or Blacks and different times and places. And YES I am saying that just as in history when all those groups were demonised, this current bout in Europe is racist.
random_upvoter 10y ago
While xenophobia may be the most important factor of the referendum's outcome, it should not be forgotten that a good part of Labor was never too hot on the EU either. Many people on the left regard the EU as a bastion of neoliberalism where a shadowy army of 30,000 lobbyists do a great job at defending the interest of big money. The lackluster performance of Labor during the campaign certainly did not help the remain vote.

vlehto 10y ago

"UK's image to the rest of the world" British tourists have already ruined it. For anybody who is consistently anti-imperialist, Scotland breaking of UK is just cherry on top of the cake.

demonshalo 10y ago

> the damage there is already done. You look like a bunch of racist, impetuous, sulky, ill-informed yobos blaming the world's victims for the acts of the very people you voted into office. So lets see, which is more likely? a) It just so happened that France, Sweden, Norway, UK and a bunch of other countries turned racist over night (see the rise in numbers of voters for the extreme right parties), or b) you are wrong because you have an incomplete picture of how the world actually looks like? I'll let you decide which one it is.

peterashford 10y ago
I am claiming that economic hardship coupled with a ready scapegoat at hand leads to scapegoating. Are you claiming that this has never happened before in the world? I'm pretty sure if I try REALLLY hard, I might even be able to think of an example or two in European history. You have to be pretty ignorant of history if you can't find parallels with Irish, Jews or Blacks and different times and places. And YES I am saying that just as in history when all those groups were demonised, this current bout in Europe is racist.

random_upvoter 10y ago

While xenophobia may be the most important factor of the referendum's outcome, it should not be forgotten that a good part of Labor was never too hot on the EU either. Many people on the left regard the EU as a bastion of neoliberalism where a shadowy army of 30,000 lobbyists do a great job at defending the interest of big money. The lackluster performance of Labor during the campaign certainly did not help the remain vote.