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The most multi-cultural areas of Britain voted to remain i.e. cities and university towns. The areas that voted leave seem to demonstrate xenophobia in its fun

The most multi-cultural areas of Britain voted to remain i.e. cities and university towns. The areas that voted leave seem to demonstrate xenophobia in its fundamental form: fear of the other. Leave voters clearly are not all racist. Unfortunately, though, a vocal racist minority has taken the referendum result as validating their views. Racism should absolutely be called out where it exists. Your argument that homogeneity invoked a social survival instinct needs strong references, otherwise it sounds like hand-waving legitimising of xenophobia. We're smarter than that.

vlehto 10y ago
There has to be some reason for Xenophobia. Plain "stupidity" might allow it, but doesn't explain it completely. This is global phenomena that has occurred over and over again for at least two millennia across all cultures. What do you think explains it?
- peterashford 10y ago
  Same reasons the Jews were blamed when Germany was economically and spiritually crushed by the Treaty of Versailles.
  - vlehto 10y ago
    Scapegoat? (Ironically term with Jewish origin.) If this scapegoating phenomena is somehow built in feature of human beings, what/who would be the healthiest possible target for it? If it's not built in feature, how can it be eradicated?
- austinjp 10y ago
  There is always a reason. There's always a neural correlate, a psycho-social construct, a genetic component, an environmental variable. Of course there is. It would be truly astonishing if there wasn't. Finding it might prove hard, though. And anyway, so what? If we did find those neural correlates and genetic components we'd... do what, exactly? Invent a pill, a therapy? In the meantime, we can rationalise simply that xenophobia is destructive, and we can determine effective interventions. Should we tackle what our understanding currently allows, rather than waiting to uncover an explanation?
  - vlehto 10y ago
    Legal racism has been dealt with and schools teach students that racism is bad all over the west. Apparently this is not enough as there is this fuss about racism in the western world. If we go further fighting racism, what are those effective interventions? Can we even trust that current relatively good situation will continue? Is there any way to reliably export western anti-racism?
    - oxide 10y ago
      Racism is passed from parent to child. Taught. It isn't a phenomena, nor can a school cirriculum undo what is taught at home.
      - vlehto 10y ago
        So the only thing we can anymore effectively do to racism is to take children to foster care? Alternatively we just accept the current levels. Maybe express disappointment on Facebook.
demonshalo 10y ago
> The most multi-cultural areas of Britain voted to remain i.e. cities and university towns... The areas that voted leave seem to demonstrate xenophobia in its fundamental form: fear of the other. This is why I can't take the leftist arguments seriously. You refute phenomenon that have been taking place for thousands of years in order to glorify an ideology that you believe in without a single shred of evidence... If you think that the fact that certain cities voted X compared to others who voted Y describes the sudden rise of nationalism across all of Europe AT THE SAME TIME, then you sir are in for a ride.
- austinjp 10y ago
  If by "you" you mean me, this has become rather personal. I didn't claim to be "leftist". I'm not "glorifying" anything. I'm not sure what you think I'm "refuting". If by "refute phenomenon (sic) that have been taking place for thousands of years" you mean "racism" I'm not refuting the fact that it exists, what a strange claim that would be. I don't really follow what you're saying here at all. I certainly didn't claim that Brexit voting patterns describe (do you mean explain?) the rise of pan-European nationalism. So again I don't follow what you're saying here. In fact, I believe quite the reverse direction of influence: that the rise in pan-European nationalism influenced a vocal minority of the vote who now feel legitamised. I suspect that the rise in pan-European nationalism is due to people being worried about recession, austerity, crumbling national institutions, etc etc. and immigration has become a surrogate for that: There's only so much cash in the coffers; there aren't enough {houses,schools,hospitals,whatever}; immigrants consume a non-zero fraction of these resources; therefore reducing the number of immigrants will improve the capacity of these services. The problem being, of course, that you could pick any scapegoat and substitute it into that equation equally well. Consequently, when people do pick immigration as their scapegoat of choice, I consider that xenophobic.

vlehto 10y ago

There has to be some reason for Xenophobia. Plain "stupidity" might allow it, but doesn't explain it completely. This is global phenomena that has occurred over and over again for at least two millennia across all cultures. What do you think explains it?

peterashford 10y ago
Same reasons the Jews were blamed when Germany was economically and spiritually crushed by the Treaty of Versailles.
- vlehto 10y ago
  Scapegoat? (Ironically term with Jewish origin.) If this scapegoating phenomena is somehow built in feature of human beings, what/who would be the healthiest possible target for it? If it's not built in feature, how can it be eradicated?
austinjp 10y ago
There is always a reason. There's always a neural correlate, a psycho-social construct, a genetic component, an environmental variable. Of course there is. It would be truly astonishing if there wasn't. Finding it might prove hard, though. And anyway, so what? If we did find those neural correlates and genetic components we'd... do what, exactly? Invent a pill, a therapy? In the meantime, we can rationalise simply that xenophobia is destructive, and we can determine effective interventions. Should we tackle what our understanding currently allows, rather than waiting to uncover an explanation?
- vlehto 10y ago
  Legal racism has been dealt with and schools teach students that racism is bad all over the west. Apparently this is not enough as there is this fuss about racism in the western world. If we go further fighting racism, what are those effective interventions? Can we even trust that current relatively good situation will continue? Is there any way to reliably export western anti-racism?
  - oxide 10y ago
    Racism is passed from parent to child. Taught. It isn't a phenomena, nor can a school cirriculum undo what is taught at home.
    - vlehto 10y ago
      So the only thing we can anymore effectively do to racism is to take children to foster care? Alternatively we just accept the current levels. Maybe express disappointment on Facebook.

demonshalo 10y ago

> The most multi-cultural areas of Britain voted to remain i.e. cities and university towns... The areas that voted leave seem to demonstrate xenophobia in its fundamental form: fear of the other. This is why I can't take the leftist arguments seriously. You refute phenomenon that have been taking place for thousands of years in order to glorify an ideology that you believe in without a single shred of evidence... If you think that the fact that certain cities voted X compared to others who voted Y describes the sudden rise of nationalism across all of Europe AT THE SAME TIME, then you sir are in for a ride.

austinjp 10y ago
If by "you" you mean me, this has become rather personal. I didn't claim to be "leftist". I'm not "glorifying" anything. I'm not sure what you think I'm "refuting". If by "refute phenomenon (sic) that have been taking place for thousands of years" you mean "racism" I'm not refuting the fact that it exists, what a strange claim that would be. I don't really follow what you're saying here at all. I certainly didn't claim that Brexit voting patterns describe (do you mean explain?) the rise of pan-European nationalism. So again I don't follow what you're saying here. In fact, I believe quite the reverse direction of influence: that the rise in pan-European nationalism influenced a vocal minority of the vote who now feel legitamised. I suspect that the rise in pan-European nationalism is due to people being worried about recession, austerity, crumbling national institutions, etc etc. and immigration has become a surrogate for that: There's only so much cash in the coffers; there aren't enough {houses,schools,hospitals,whatever}; immigrants consume a non-zero fraction of these resources; therefore reducing the number of immigrants will improve the capacity of these services. The problem being, of course, that you could pick any scapegoat and substitute it into that equation equally well. Consequently, when people do pick immigration as their scapegoat of choice, I consider that xenophobic.