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Bring it up in the interview process, particularly when talking to HR, etc. You don't have to make a stand right there but at least find out what's typically i
by tdicola 10y ago
Bring it up in the interview process, particularly when talking to HR, etc. You don't have to make a stand right there but at least find out what's typically in an employment contract (a very reasonable question to ask even in an early interview). Then later on when they're trying to close the deal make it a negotiable thing just like salary, etc.
- CaptSpify 10y agoLesson learned on my part, for sure.
- wyldfire 10y agoI asked about something similar at the offer stage: invention disclosure and assignment. I asked several times and the recruiting team told me that "everything I needed was on the website [where the job offer and the related terms were]." I even asked "No, I mean the forms you'd ask me to sign upon accepting the offer when I'm hired." Still nothing. Sure enough, as soon as I accept the offer I'm presented with exactly what I was looking for on that very same website. Somehow I think "never attribute to malice ..." doesn't apply to corporations.
- morgante 10y ago> Somehow I think "never attribute to malice ..." doesn't apply to corporations. Indeed. Refusing to disclose terms until you've started the job is abundant evidence of them being employee-hostile and manipulative.
- crusso 10y agoWhy didn't you tell them that you wouldn't take the job if they couldn't present you with the paperwork that they would be requiring you to sign? And if they presented extra paperwork later, why wouldn't you hold them to that?
- wyldfire 10y agoPerhaps I should have. I was assuaged by the fact that they provided specific "exceptions from copyright" (e.g. open source projects that I have and will continue to contribute to).
- Bartweiss 10y agoI can't speak for this case, but the answer is often "you found out after you travelled across the country and turned down other job offers, and may be waiting for repayment of moving expenses". Yes, a person could try to get this sort of thing in writing and sue for damages incurred, but they'd still be unemployed and loaded with expenses in the meantime. There's a lot of freedom to push this kind of thing because there's too much legal overhead to fight it.