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The burden of being virtuous is that you should not use the same methods that the vile used on you. Something needed to be done about the terror attacks. But t

by gazaren 10y ago

The burden of being virtuous is that you should not use the same methods that the vile used on you. Something needed to be done about the terror attacks. But that something shouldn't include torture and the summary execution of people.

nan0 10y ago
I don't think we used the same barbaric methods. Terrorists have the intention of killing any nearby civilian , even if they are non government or military most of the time they play their attacks.
- heartsucker 10y ago
  (warning: anecdote) I knew a guy who joined the US Marines and talked about how he wanted to "shoot towel heads." I don't believe that the US armed forces are purely virtuous at the top, bottom, or in between levels. There likely is a non-zero number of service men/women who get some sort of sick joy out of murdering non-Americans.
  - nan0 10y ago
    So your saying that the whole United States Armed Forces is non virtuous, based on one guy you knew? This is a huge claim.
    - tastythrowaway 10y ago
      That's literally not what he said at all - he said "a non-zero number", meaning (i'm assuming here) an amount that exists but is difficult to quantify, yet not so low as to be completely ignored.
      - nan0 10y ago
        "I don't believe that the US armed forces are purely virtuous at the top, bottom, or in between levels.". I think the non-zero number could be upwards in the positive millions, according to this claim.
        heartsucker 10y ago
        My tone above is clearly one of doubt, thus saying "just like there are some residents of middle eastern nations that want to kill American civilians, there are some Americans who want to kill middle eastern civilians." > I don't believe that [they] are purely virtuous The only claim I'm making is that there are members of the US military at all levels that don't have God-Like Perfect Morality.
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  - tastythrowaway 10y ago
    I heard they made a movie about that guy: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2179136/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2179136/
- codezero 10y ago
  We just water boarded them and paraded them around naked in prison before sending them to a CIA black site in a foreign country where they were tortured to death. By hey, we had paperwork and believed enhanced torture was a legal loophole.
toomanythings2 10y ago
And what is that "something" that needed to be done?

by gazaren 10y ago

nan0 10y ago

I don't think we used the same barbaric methods. Terrorists have the intention of killing any nearby civilian , even if they are non government or military most of the time they play their attacks.

heartsucker 10y ago
(warning: anecdote) I knew a guy who joined the US Marines and talked about how he wanted to "shoot towel heads." I don't believe that the US armed forces are purely virtuous at the top, bottom, or in between levels. There likely is a non-zero number of service men/women who get some sort of sick joy out of murdering non-Americans.
- nan0 10y ago
  So your saying that the whole United States Armed Forces is non virtuous, based on one guy you knew? This is a huge claim.
  - tastythrowaway 10y ago
    That's literally not what he said at all - he said "a non-zero number", meaning (i'm assuming here) an amount that exists but is difficult to quantify, yet not so low as to be completely ignored.
    - nan0 10y ago
      "I don't believe that the US armed forces are purely virtuous at the top, bottom, or in between levels.". I think the non-zero number could be upwards in the positive millions, according to this claim.
      - heartsucker 10y ago
        My tone above is clearly one of doubt, thus saying "just like there are some residents of middle eastern nations that want to kill American civilians, there are some Americans who want to kill middle eastern civilians." > I don't believe that [they] are purely virtuous The only claim I'm making is that there are members of the US military at all levels that don't have God-Like Perfect Morality.
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- tastythrowaway 10y ago
  I heard they made a movie about that guy: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2179136/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2179136/
codezero 10y ago
We just water boarded them and paraded them around naked in prison before sending them to a CIA black site in a foreign country where they were tortured to death. By hey, we had paperwork and believed enhanced torture was a legal loophole.

toomanythings2 10y ago

And what is that "something" that needed to be done?