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> There are other reasons to Leave that have nothing to do with economics (or immigration, for that matter). I would like to know those reasons, thanks. Almost

by Oletros 10y ago

> There are other reasons to Leave that have nothing to do with economics (or immigration, for that matter). I would like to know those reasons, thanks. Almost what I have read from the leave camp are economics, immigration and some nebulous freedom.

dalke 10y ago
The "Left Leave" movement believes the EU is antidemocratic, and designed to maintain price stability, not benefit the social good. Quoting http://www.leftleave.org/seven-more-myths-about-the-eu/ http://www.leftleave.org/seven-more-myths-about-the-eu/ : > Those fundamental treaties severely limit the ability of EU member state governments to fund public investment, rescue failing companies and industries, save jobs or use public ownership for wider economic, social and environmental purposes. Should Britain elect a left or progressive government, the treaties will act as a strait-jacket on its policies, which could only be removed if every other EU member state government agrees to treaty change. While it's true that this still concerns "economics, immigration and some nebulous freedom", the argument is that the EU policies aren't left enough, and, for example, restrict the right of refugees. Quoting from http://www.leftleave.org/the-eu-ratcheting-up-racism/ http://www.leftleave.org/the-eu-ratcheting-up-racism/ : > ... the fact that is that the biggest ratcheting up of the attack on migrants has just been pushed through by the European Union; the treaty arranged by Angela Merkel between the EU and Turkey. That ripped up long established rights of refugees fleeing war and means those in Greece will face deportation back to Turkey, itself becoming less stable, and new arrivals will now be put in detention camps unlike before. The corruption behind all this, with the EU bribing the Turks to sign, speaks volumes about the undemocratic nature of the EU. And yet there are those who think Farage is the main driver of anti-migrant racism, not noticing he’s been sidelined and could only dream of doing something as despicable as fixing that treaty with Turkey. Here is an interview (with transcript) of people for a "Left Exit", http://www.democracynow.org/2016/6/24/debate_after_shocking_vote_can_uks http://www.democracynow.org/2016/6/24/debate_after_shocking_... . Leftist parties in other countries have a similar anti-EU positions. However, they are, as far as I can tell, quite the minority.

by Oletros 10y ago

dalke 10y ago

The "Left Leave" movement believes the EU is antidemocratic, and designed to maintain price stability, not benefit the social good. Quoting http://www.leftleave.org/seven-more-myths-about-the-eu/ http://www.leftleave.org/seven-more-myths-about-the-eu/ : > Those fundamental treaties severely limit the ability of EU member state governments to fund public investment, rescue failing companies and industries, save jobs or use public ownership for wider economic, social and environmental purposes. Should Britain elect a left or progressive government, the treaties will act as a strait-jacket on its policies, which could only be removed if every other EU member state government agrees to treaty change. While it's true that this still concerns "economics, immigration and some nebulous freedom", the argument is that the EU policies aren't left enough, and, for example, restrict the right of refugees. Quoting from http://www.leftleave.org/the-eu-ratcheting-up-racism/ http://www.leftleave.org/the-eu-ratcheting-up-racism/ : > ... the fact that is that the biggest ratcheting up of the attack on migrants has just been pushed through by the European Union; the treaty arranged by Angela Merkel between the EU and Turkey. That ripped up long established rights of refugees fleeing war and means those in Greece will face deportation back to Turkey, itself becoming less stable, and new arrivals will now be put in detention camps unlike before. The corruption behind all this, with the EU bribing the Turks to sign, speaks volumes about the undemocratic nature of the EU. And yet there are those who think Farage is the main driver of anti-migrant racism, not noticing he’s been sidelined and could only dream of doing something as despicable as fixing that treaty with Turkey. Here is an interview (with transcript) of people for a "Left Exit", http://www.democracynow.org/2016/6/24/debate_after_shocking_vote_can_uks http://www.democracynow.org/2016/6/24/debate_after_shocking_... . Leftist parties in other countries have a similar anti-EU positions. However, they are, as far as I can tell, quite the minority.