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> just like we couldn't possibly trade in the EU without a trade deal is just a meme This is not what has been said, what has been said is that UK can't have t

by Oletros 10y ago

> just like we couldn't possibly trade in the EU without a trade deal is just a meme This is not what has been said, what has been said is that UK can't have the same trade deals they have right now without the duties they have right now.

ZenoArrow 10y ago
The suggested implications that arise from leaving have been heavily based on the perceived damage to the economy. The basis for those implications has always been the volume of trade the UK does with the EU. Even if people aren't outright suggesting that trade will drop to zero, there's a reason that no indications are given to how much trade is likely to drop, and instead the volume of current trade is provided in its place. This all comes back to media manipulation. Sometimes the media doesn't lie to you directly, they lie through omission. For example, take a look at this comedy sketch from The Guardian about the European Court of Human Rights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfmAY6M6aA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfmAY6M6aA This video was brought out at the time when the EU referendum was being publicly discussed. It seems to make a good case for staying in the EU, right? However, there's one key bit of information that is omitted from the video, the European Convention on Human Rights which forms the legal underpinnings of the European Court of Human Rights was negotiated outside the EU through the Council of Europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_R... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Europe Do you see how, in the context when it was released, that the video could be misleading, even when there weren't any direct lies in the video (that I'm aware of)? I'd suggest it'd be easy to assume after watching the video that giving up the EU also means giving up the European Convention on Human Rights, even when that's not the case.

by Oletros 10y ago

ZenoArrow 10y ago

The suggested implications that arise from leaving have been heavily based on the perceived damage to the economy. The basis for those implications has always been the volume of trade the UK does with the EU. Even if people aren't outright suggesting that trade will drop to zero, there's a reason that no indications are given to how much trade is likely to drop, and instead the volume of current trade is provided in its place. This all comes back to media manipulation. Sometimes the media doesn't lie to you directly, they lie through omission. For example, take a look at this comedy sketch from The Guardian about the European Court of Human Rights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfmAY6M6aA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfmAY6M6aA This video was brought out at the time when the EU referendum was being publicly discussed. It seems to make a good case for staying in the EU, right? However, there's one key bit of information that is omitted from the video, the European Convention on Human Rights which forms the legal underpinnings of the European Court of Human Rights was negotiated outside the EU through the Council of Europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_R... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Europe Do you see how, in the context when it was released, that the video could be misleading, even when there weren't any direct lies in the video (that I'm aware of)? I'd suggest it'd be easy to assume after watching the video that giving up the EU also means giving up the European Convention on Human Rights, even when that's not the case.