I suppose it all depends on perspective. I just don't think the ever closer EU integration is driven by pragmatism. I think it is driven by grand visions for a

I suppose it all depends on perspective. I just don't think the ever closer EU integration is driven by pragmatism. I think it is driven by grand visions for a superstate because they have this rosy idea of how nice it would be for all Europeans to share one country holding hands and singing happy songs. They don't seem to take any practical considerations to things like there are countries like Greece which simply hasn't solved the problem of collecting taxes and spending within means. 100 German economist signed a petition against Greece joining the Euro, because they said exactly what happened would happen. Instead the pragmatists were overruled by the dreamers. The ones who have suffered the most due to these dreamers are the Greeks themselves. Real love is setting proper boundaries and not just give into anybody's indulgences.