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It can eye the tech talent all it wants. I've lived in Frankfurt and in Berlin. I've lived in Paris. I've lived in Barcelona. I've spoken with many stock brok

It can eye the tech talent all it wants. I've lived in Frankfurt and in Berlin. I've lived in Paris. I've lived in Barcelona. I've spoken with many stock brokers. The one common denominator that I have found. Is that you can't just beat the feel of London. I know if I had the choice, to live in Europe or live in London. It certainly would not be Europe.

AznHisoka 10y ago
The "feel" of London sounds so vague. What do you mean by it?
- hackerboos 10y ago
  OP is talking about that sinking feeling one feels when over half your paycheque is spent on rent.
  - clentaminator 10y ago
    Don't forget the crushing feeling one gets (literally) while on the rail network.
  - demonshalo 10y ago
    Yea I know that feeling. It is the same feeling I got when I first saw that my tax rate in Berlin was @ 42% and then realized that whatever remains has to go into paying for the rent anyway.
    - mullsork 10y ago
      The rent is really getting ridiculous. Seems like a lot of people are stuck in the prices they had five years ago. Though if you pick a WG, or live with a partner, you should end up paying between 25-35% of your rent. Not too shabby, but it used to be a LOT less only a few years ago.
    - _pmf_ 10y ago
      > when I first saw that my tax rate in Berlin was @ 42% And don't forget health insurance ... another smooth 20 percent off the result.
    - IanCal 10y ago
      Is that more expensive than the UK? Over about £40k you've got a 42% rate here (not including the employer NI either), and a 32% rate between abut £11k and £40k.
    - rostigerpudel 10y ago
      You do mean the marginal tax rate, right? Not the average tax rate. To be taxed @ 42% (average) in Germany your income would have to be way north of 300k€ [1]. With that kind of income, your social security (health, unemployment, pension) would already be somewhere below 10% so nothing to complain about, really, given the benefits (yes, I know the benefits are no longer what they never used to be). Add to that the absurd housing costs in, say, London, and things don't look too shabby for Berlin. Although you need to be tolerant towards the locals. I can understand some people having problems with that nonchalant "don't care if you care because, you know, I don't care" attitude that sometimes shows. But if you're capable of letting the occasional inflammatory/stupid remark slide, these guys and gals are quite nice. (Protip: This ability is great to have pretty much anywhere. Hanlon's Razor, anyone?) To me, London is great to spend a few days of vacation. The atmosphere, the people, British humour, all great. Still, I never felt the urge to permanently move there to work. Too crowded, hard to get a decent flat... I guess it's not always just the money. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Germany
      - demonshalo 10y ago
        > To be taxed @ 42% (average) in Germany your income would have to be way north of 300k€ That is flat out wrong... If it wasn't for the sensitive information, I would have posted my own tax returns here for all to see.
        rostigerpudel 10y ago
        Erm, no. It is not. Any site describing the German income tax will tell you that what I wrote is perfectly true. You can verify quite easily for yourself by following the conveniently provided Wikipedia link. Maybe you misunderstood your tax return?
- dagw 10y ago
  Frankfurt and Berlin feel like Germany and Barcelona feels like Spain. London feels more like an international melding pot detached from any one nation in the world.
  - patrickk 10y ago
    40% of Frankfurt residents have non-German passports. It definitely doesn't feel like the rest of Germany. There are tons of Turks, Italians, Croatians in particular, along with workers from all the EU member states. You can theoretically live and work without speaking any German, although obviously not having it makes life much more tricky.
  - cplanas 10y ago
    Barcelona feels like Spain? Frankfurt and Berlin feeling generally like the same country? I can agree that London is the most international city of Europe -at least right now, probably not in the close future-, but your descriptions of the other cities feel very off.
pantalaimon 10y ago
I really like Berlin's laid back, alternative attitude where it's not all about the money. I can't imaging you have that in an expensive city like London, but I'm afraid how long it might last in Berlin too.
- vinceguidry 10y ago
  That makes it a great place to take a vacation, not to live.
rimantas 10y ago
Of all Europeant cities I've been to I liked London the least.

AznHisoka 10y ago

The "feel" of London sounds so vague. What do you mean by it?

hackerboos 10y ago
OP is talking about that sinking feeling one feels when over half your paycheque is spent on rent.
- clentaminator 10y ago
  Don't forget the crushing feeling one gets (literally) while on the rail network.
- demonshalo 10y ago
  Yea I know that feeling. It is the same feeling I got when I first saw that my tax rate in Berlin was @ 42% and then realized that whatever remains has to go into paying for the rent anyway.
  - mullsork 10y ago
    The rent is really getting ridiculous. Seems like a lot of people are stuck in the prices they had five years ago. Though if you pick a WG, or live with a partner, you should end up paying between 25-35% of your rent. Not too shabby, but it used to be a LOT less only a few years ago.
  - _pmf_ 10y ago
    > when I first saw that my tax rate in Berlin was @ 42% And don't forget health insurance ... another smooth 20 percent off the result.
  - IanCal 10y ago
    Is that more expensive than the UK? Over about £40k you've got a 42% rate here (not including the employer NI either), and a 32% rate between abut £11k and £40k.
  - rostigerpudel 10y ago
    You do mean the marginal tax rate, right? Not the average tax rate. To be taxed @ 42% (average) in Germany your income would have to be way north of 300k€ [1]. With that kind of income, your social security (health, unemployment, pension) would already be somewhere below 10% so nothing to complain about, really, given the benefits (yes, I know the benefits are no longer what they never used to be). Add to that the absurd housing costs in, say, London, and things don't look too shabby for Berlin. Although you need to be tolerant towards the locals. I can understand some people having problems with that nonchalant "don't care if you care because, you know, I don't care" attitude that sometimes shows. But if you're capable of letting the occasional inflammatory/stupid remark slide, these guys and gals are quite nice. (Protip: This ability is great to have pretty much anywhere. Hanlon's Razor, anyone?) To me, London is great to spend a few days of vacation. The atmosphere, the people, British humour, all great. Still, I never felt the urge to permanently move there to work. Too crowded, hard to get a decent flat... I guess it's not always just the money. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Germany
    - demonshalo 10y ago
      > To be taxed @ 42% (average) in Germany your income would have to be way north of 300k€ That is flat out wrong... If it wasn't for the sensitive information, I would have posted my own tax returns here for all to see.
      - rostigerpudel 10y ago
        Erm, no. It is not. Any site describing the German income tax will tell you that what I wrote is perfectly true. You can verify quite easily for yourself by following the conveniently provided Wikipedia link. Maybe you misunderstood your tax return?
dagw 10y ago
Frankfurt and Berlin feel like Germany and Barcelona feels like Spain. London feels more like an international melding pot detached from any one nation in the world.
- patrickk 10y ago
  40% of Frankfurt residents have non-German passports. It definitely doesn't feel like the rest of Germany. There are tons of Turks, Italians, Croatians in particular, along with workers from all the EU member states. You can theoretically live and work without speaking any German, although obviously not having it makes life much more tricky.
- cplanas 10y ago
  Barcelona feels like Spain? Frankfurt and Berlin feeling generally like the same country? I can agree that London is the most international city of Europe -at least right now, probably not in the close future-, but your descriptions of the other cities feel very off.

pantalaimon 10y ago

I really like Berlin's laid back, alternative attitude where it's not all about the money. I can't imaging you have that in an expensive city like London, but I'm afraid how long it might last in Berlin too.

vinceguidry 10y ago
That makes it a great place to take a vacation, not to live.

rimantas 10y ago

Of all Europeant cities I've been to I liked London the least.