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Crushing the company hits mostly the lower ranks who legitimately had no part in any of it (presumably; if you're a soldier in the Wehrmacht or the guy dumping

Crushing the company hits mostly the lower ranks who legitimately had no part in any of it (presumably; if you're a soldier in the Wehrmacht or the guy dumping toxic buckets, this doesn't apply). We just need strict liability for corporate officers.

maxerickson 10y ago
Maybe we should just split up big companies that screw up bad. Maybe in 2 pieces, maybe into lots more pieces.
freehunter 10y ago
Well if we go to war with another country, there are a lot of people working for that government who did not commit the atrocities. I'm sure the accountant or janitor didn't necessarily know or approve of the war crimes, they just needed a job and didn't hurt anyone. That doesn't mean we shouldn't fight the war, you just recognize that sometimes innocent people are impacted. The blame lies with the leaders who did the bad thing. If they hadn't done the bad thing, their lower ranking innocent workers wouldn't have been impacted. Every business decision comes with a cost/benefit analysis. Hurting your employees goes into the "cost" side, and if you do the bad thing anyway, obviously the "benefits" outweighed the "cost" of potentially hurting your employees.
- fmueller 10y ago
  That's different. Sometimes you have to defend yourself and then it's justified to go to war. Going to war without being threatened is a crime (like it was done numerous times by the US governement and is done now in Syria. Only because there is no judge makes it no less a crime.). But you don't have to defend yourself from this company. You aren't in danger. As a result punishing the workers would be nothing but a crime.
lostlogin 10y ago
Does one really believe that German soldiers had zero idea of the atrocities that were being committed? There were reports in internation news, rumours, physical evidence and millions upon millions of people being rounded up. As for being the person dumping toxic buckets - they are doing the crime. They are culpable.

maxerickson 10y ago

Maybe we should just split up big companies that screw up bad. Maybe in 2 pieces, maybe into lots more pieces.

freehunter 10y ago

Well if we go to war with another country, there are a lot of people working for that government who did not commit the atrocities. I'm sure the accountant or janitor didn't necessarily know or approve of the war crimes, they just needed a job and didn't hurt anyone. That doesn't mean we shouldn't fight the war, you just recognize that sometimes innocent people are impacted. The blame lies with the leaders who did the bad thing. If they hadn't done the bad thing, their lower ranking innocent workers wouldn't have been impacted. Every business decision comes with a cost/benefit analysis. Hurting your employees goes into the "cost" side, and if you do the bad thing anyway, obviously the "benefits" outweighed the "cost" of potentially hurting your employees.

fmueller 10y ago
That's different. Sometimes you have to defend yourself and then it's justified to go to war. Going to war without being threatened is a crime (like it was done numerous times by the US governement and is done now in Syria. Only because there is no judge makes it no less a crime.). But you don't have to defend yourself from this company. You aren't in danger. As a result punishing the workers would be nothing but a crime.

lostlogin 10y ago

Does one really believe that German soldiers had zero idea of the atrocities that were being committed? There were reports in internation news, rumours, physical evidence and millions upon millions of people being rounded up. As for being the person dumping toxic buckets - they are doing the crime. They are culpable.