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> "It is obvious that the vote had nothing to do with opinions on the EU to a huge number of voters." I'd recommend thinking twice when it comes to blanket sta

> "It is obvious that the vote had nothing to do with opinions on the EU to a huge number of voters." I'd recommend thinking twice when it comes to blanket statements like that. The only thing I'd be willing to make a blanket statement on is that the mainstream news media has been very manipulative when it comes to pushing their own agendas, and this applies both to the Remain camp and the Leave camp. With that in mind, I couldn't honestly put my finger on what mattered most to the 30,000,000+ voters, though I'd suspect the reasons for Remain and Leave were a lot more diverse than the mainstream media wanted to suggest.

__jal 10y ago
You are welcome to think as many times as you like. I'll be sticking with the impression built so far until I see evidence that contradicts it. And that points strongly to a lot of folks wanting send an "FU I'm angry" signal. I will note two things: I'm not talking about 30m+ voters; I'm talking about a significant block of them. 'Huge' != all; which you even quoted. A little hard to tell, but you seem to be arguing with a rather stronger claim than I made. Second, I have zero interest in anyone's "mainstream media" bashing. Fine, whatever, they suck. But unless you're willing to point to specifics and make specific allegations, I consider MSM bashing to be content-free; the political pontificaticator's equivalent of bitching about the referee in sports. (To be clear, of course media actors have agendas. Always have, always will. Depending on what lens you choose, they're people, they're loosely-coupled political operations or they're corporations, and the notion that you'll find impartiality there is either a utopian pipe dream or a cynical, selectively-employed critique made to delegitimize reporting the critic doesn't like.)

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> "It is obvious that the vote had nothing to do with opinions on the EU to a huge number of voters." I'd recommend thinking twice when it comes to blanket sta

by ZenoArrow 10y ago

__jal 10y ago
You are welcome to think as many times as you like. I'll be sticking with the impression built so far until I see evidence that contradicts it. And that points strongly to a lot of folks wanting send an "FU I'm angry" signal. I will note two things: I'm not talking about 30m+ voters; I'm talking about a significant block of them. 'Huge' != all; which you even quoted. A little hard to tell, but you seem to be arguing with a rather stronger claim than I made. Second, I have zero interest in anyone's "mainstream media" bashing. Fine, whatever, they suck. But unless you're willing to point to specifics and make specific allegations, I consider MSM bashing to be content-free; the political pontificaticator's equivalent of bitching about the referee in sports. (To be clear, of course media actors have agendas. Always have, always will. Depending on what lens you choose, they're people, they're loosely-coupled political operations or they're corporations, and the notion that you'll find impartiality there is either a utopian pipe dream or a cynical, selectively-employed critique made to delegitimize reporting the critic doesn't like.)