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The Comission.

by pzh 10y ago

The Comission.

themihai 10y ago
This sounds quite democratic to me. Am I wrong? "A new team of 28 Commissioners (one from each EU Member State) is appointed every five years. The candidate for President of the Commission is proposed to the European Parliament by the European Council that decides by qualified majority and taking into account the elections to the European Parliament."
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  Commissioners don't represent the people that elected them, they take an oath to put the interests of the EU itself ahead of the wishes of member countries.
  - themihai 10y ago
    Well, the gov cabinet members are not elected either. People elect only key people(i.e. the PM/president etc) that have the power to delegate others to work on their behalf(i.e a chain of command that starts with the vote). I don't see how the interest of the EU would not be the interest of the member countries.
    - ZenoArrow 10y ago
      All cabinet members have a dual role, as they are also their constituent's MP. Furthermore, if they do a bad job in either role, they can be voted out at the next election. The same type of democratic accountability does not exist for EU Commissioners, as the general public can't vote for someone to replace them. > "I don't see how the interest of the EU would not be the interest of the member countries." Perhaps it's worth considering other groups they can be serving, namely themselves and big business. In terms of serving themselves, changes that expand the influence of the EU over member states can be of interest to the Commission even if they didn't serve the individual member states, as the goal could be to create a European super state (there are signs that this is what's planned for the EU, especially the Eurozone countries). As for serving big business, there are over 30,000 lobbyists in Brussels, that number wouldn't be so high if they weren't having some success. I could point out examples of the European Commission pushing forward proposals from big business if you're interested?
  - themihai 10y ago
    Fortunately was not given to us by external forces(i.e. God) so if it's not democratic enough I'm sure it could be amended. Unfortunately UK didn't have such demands... The undemocratic argument seemed to be just a pretext.
    - ZenoArrow 10y ago
      Can you say that in a different way, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

The Comission.

by pzh 10y ago

The Comission.

This sounds quite democratic to me. Am I wrong? "A new team of 28 Commissioners (one from each EU Member State) is appointed every five years. The candidate for President of the Commission is proposed to the European Parliament by the European Council that decides by qualified majority and taking into account the elections to the European Parliament."

ZenoArrow 10y ago
Commissioners don't represent the people that elected them, they take an oath to put the interests of the EU itself ahead of the wishes of member countries.
- themihai 10y ago
  Well, the gov cabinet members are not elected either. People elect only key people(i.e. the PM/president etc) that have the power to delegate others to work on their behalf(i.e a chain of command that starts with the vote). I don't see how the interest of the EU would not be the interest of the member countries.
  - ZenoArrow 10y ago
    All cabinet members have a dual role, as they are also their constituent's MP. Furthermore, if they do a bad job in either role, they can be voted out at the next election. The same type of democratic accountability does not exist for EU Commissioners, as the general public can't vote for someone to replace them. > "I don't see how the interest of the EU would not be the interest of the member countries." Perhaps it's worth considering other groups they can be serving, namely themselves and big business. In terms of serving themselves, changes that expand the influence of the EU over member states can be of interest to the Commission even if they didn't serve the individual member states, as the goal could be to create a European super state (there are signs that this is what's planned for the EU, especially the Eurozone countries). As for serving big business, there are over 30,000 lobbyists in Brussels, that number wouldn't be so high if they weren't having some success. I could point out examples of the European Commission pushing forward proposals from big business if you're interested?
- themihai 10y ago
  Fortunately was not given to us by external forces(i.e. God) so if it's not democratic enough I'm sure it could be amended. Unfortunately UK didn't have such demands... The undemocratic argument seemed to be just a pretext.
  - ZenoArrow 10y ago
    Can you say that in a different way, I'm not sure what you're talking about.