>"Leave campaign have no plan". The reality here is the EU doesn't discuss alternatives to staying in the EU, so there's nothing to say until negotiations are

>"Leave campaign have no plan". The reality here is the EU doesn't discuss alternatives to staying in the EU, so there's nothing to say until negotiations are well underway. That's fine, the UK has a powerful economy and will just negotiate like every other nation outside the EU does. Is the USA and China hurting for not being EU members? The larger economies have more sway, if anything not being in the EU means a better deal for the UK. I'm starting to see this the way I saw Communism in the late 80s. The cracks are showing. I don't think these trans-national unions will ever truly work. People want autonomy, have their own identity, have their own politics, and don't want to be bullied by Moscow/Brussels. Its clear the leftist Europeans made the EU into way much more than it needed to be. All the social issues are now center to it instead of it being a economic participation and common currency to help facilitate business. I hope its not too late to reform before it goes away. Losing 60m people and a $2.6t GDP is a serious loss to the EU. The idea that the UK, who historically has a strong economy and military, will suffer but the EU won't is laughable. Heck, the EU is still signing checks to millions of Greek pensioners who worked maybe 25 years at do-nothing government jobs and retired at 50 and who will live to be 75-80, being on a pension longer than they've worked! As a Greek-American, I see this stuff first-hand when i visit my motherland. Of course the English are sick of paying for the corrupt EU nations who know how to game the system. How could you not be? Toss in unfettered immigration and its a miracle the EU is even in one piece right now. I think history will see this a shrewd move, the same way we see Thatcher keeping the pound instead of the Euro as shrewd. The EU might make sense as a French-German-Italian dominated economic forum with smaller member nations getting sweetheart deals from them, but as-is its too expansionist, too ambitious, too tolerant of corruption, and too distracted by non-economic issues. I could certainly see it turning into a G7-like format that removes all the social/immigration stuff and focuses just on economic development. edit: I prefer replies to drive-by downvotes. HN is very liberal and as such any remotely conservative or moderate view isn't welcome but you guys can at least try to argue your point here.