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A couple months ago I installed .NET core on a Ubuntu virtual machine running on the Windows 10 hypervisor, and was able to get a MVC5 app running using Visual

A couple months ago I installed .NET core on a Ubuntu virtual machine running on the Windows 10 hypervisor, and was able to get a MVC5 app running using Visual Studio Code. As someone who really loves Visual Studio (it made me expect a lot more from my tools) and C# (it made me expect a lot more from my languages), it was an exciting moment. I actually took a selfie with my monitor. It was still a little rough: the "getting started" instructions ONLY worked on Ubuntu 14.x and not Ubuntu 16.x, and my PR to the documentation pointing this out was nixed. (I notice they've since added a disclaimer: https://docs.asp.net/en/1.0.0-rc1/getting-started/installing-on-linux.html#installing-on-ubuntu-14-04 https://docs.asp.net/en/1.0.0-rc1/getting-started/installing...). I really hope to someday be able to build projects with React and a .NET core WebApi and be confident that my teammates will be able to get the project running on their macbooks without kms.

jsingleton 10y ago
MVC 6 is the version that works best with Core, although they don't really refer to it directly much any more. Both MVC 6 and Web API 2 are now part of Core. They're just packages like everything else.
- computerlab 10y ago
  Good point, I meant MVC6. I confused the versions of ASP.NET 5 (which is now known as ASP.NET Core) and MVC6.
  - jsingleton 10y ago
    The naming is really confusing, but then naming things is hard. As Phil Karlton famously said: There are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation and naming things.
    - recursive 10y ago
      I don't know where it came from, but I've always preferred this variant: There are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-1 errors.
      - LeonB 10y ago
        Source: https://twitter.com/secretGeek/status/7269997868 https://twitter.com/secretGeek/status/7269997868 ;)
        jsingleton 10y ago
        That tweet dates from 2010 and the same quote is on this page [0] dated 2009. Of course, it's possible Martin updated it after the initial publication. I'm not saying you copied it either, it could have been independently created. [0] http://martinfowler.com/bliki/TwoHardThings.html http://martinfowler.com/bliki/TwoHardThings.html
      - jsingleton 10y ago
        I actually used that version in my recent book. You can see it in this section [0] of the first chapter (which is free to read, with no sign-up) that tries to explain the confusing naming. [0] https://www.packtpub.com/packtlib/book/Application%20Development/9781785881893/1/ch01lvl1sec12/The%20new%20.NET https://www.packtpub.com/packtlib/book/Application%20Develop...
  - soundoflight 10y ago
    MVC 6's name is now also ASP.NET Core MVC 1.x.x. It's really a version number reset. The confusing thing is that it's not plugged through everywhere and people interchange the two regularly.
    - jongalloway2 10y ago
      #wellactually We don't talk about ASP.NET MVC as a separate thing anymore. It's just ASP.NET Core. So you might build an MVC app on ASP.NET Core, or build APIs on ASP.NET Core, etc., but it's all just ASP.NET Core.
      - jsingleton 10y ago
        Personally, I like the new "one true name". However, most .NET developers know what ASP.NET MVC is for, but are less clear about what ASP.NET Core is about. Hopefully this will change over time but, for now at least, MVC is still a useful term from a marketing perspective, or at least that's what my publishers tell me. :)
MagicWishMonkey 10y ago
I wish MS would release a stripped down version of VS for OSX/Linux, but I know it probably won't happen.
- Chlorus 10y ago
  Does this count? https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/code-vs.aspx https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/code-vs.aspx
  - MagicWishMonkey 10y ago
    I've played with VS Code a bit, it's a pretty cool tool for small scale scripting, but it's not really a replacement for a full fledged IDE. Hopefully Jetbrains will release their cross platform C# IDE sometime soon. I would prefer Visual Studio, but I don't think that's going to happen (at least not anytime soon).
    - vgbm 10y ago
      From my experience, Rider is pretty stable and usable. Have you tried it out at all? https://www.jetbrains.com/rider/ https://www.jetbrains.com/rider/
      - MagicWishMonkey 10y ago
        Oh, didn't realize you could request early access. I'll check it out, thanks.
    - nojvek 10y ago
      Not being fully fledged IDE can be good and bad. I'm using VSCode for most things I use VS for. It's super fast to launch, great language extensions, debugger, integrated terminal and tasks. It's like sublime and visual studio had a baby. I have licenses for jet brains but I seldom ever use it. I may also be a bit biased since I contribute to VScode extensions. But I see that as a positive. I use a free editor that I can hack, look at its source and collaborate in the open.

jsingleton 10y ago

MVC 6 is the version that works best with Core, although they don't really refer to it directly much any more. Both MVC 6 and Web API 2 are now part of Core. They're just packages like everything else.

computerlab 10y ago
Good point, I meant MVC6. I confused the versions of ASP.NET 5 (which is now known as ASP.NET Core) and MVC6.
- jsingleton 10y ago
  The naming is really confusing, but then naming things is hard. As Phil Karlton famously said: There are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation and naming things.
  - recursive 10y ago
    I don't know where it came from, but I've always preferred this variant: There are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-1 errors.
    - LeonB 10y ago
      Source: https://twitter.com/secretGeek/status/7269997868 https://twitter.com/secretGeek/status/7269997868 ;)
      - jsingleton 10y ago
        That tweet dates from 2010 and the same quote is on this page [0] dated 2009. Of course, it's possible Martin updated it after the initial publication. I'm not saying you copied it either, it could have been independently created. [0] http://martinfowler.com/bliki/TwoHardThings.html http://martinfowler.com/bliki/TwoHardThings.html
    - jsingleton 10y ago
      I actually used that version in my recent book. You can see it in this section [0] of the first chapter (which is free to read, with no sign-up) that tries to explain the confusing naming. [0] https://www.packtpub.com/packtlib/book/Application%20Development/9781785881893/1/ch01lvl1sec12/The%20new%20.NET https://www.packtpub.com/packtlib/book/Application%20Develop...
- soundoflight 10y ago
  MVC 6's name is now also ASP.NET Core MVC 1.x.x. It's really a version number reset. The confusing thing is that it's not plugged through everywhere and people interchange the two regularly.
  - jongalloway2 10y ago
    #wellactually We don't talk about ASP.NET MVC as a separate thing anymore. It's just ASP.NET Core. So you might build an MVC app on ASP.NET Core, or build APIs on ASP.NET Core, etc., but it's all just ASP.NET Core.
    - jsingleton 10y ago
      Personally, I like the new "one true name". However, most .NET developers know what ASP.NET MVC is for, but are less clear about what ASP.NET Core is about. Hopefully this will change over time but, for now at least, MVC is still a useful term from a marketing perspective, or at least that's what my publishers tell me. :)

MagicWishMonkey 10y ago

I wish MS would release a stripped down version of VS for OSX/Linux, but I know it probably won't happen.

Chlorus 10y ago
Does this count? https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/code-vs.aspx https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/code-vs.aspx
- MagicWishMonkey 10y ago
  I've played with VS Code a bit, it's a pretty cool tool for small scale scripting, but it's not really a replacement for a full fledged IDE. Hopefully Jetbrains will release their cross platform C# IDE sometime soon. I would prefer Visual Studio, but I don't think that's going to happen (at least not anytime soon).
  - vgbm 10y ago
    From my experience, Rider is pretty stable and usable. Have you tried it out at all? https://www.jetbrains.com/rider/ https://www.jetbrains.com/rider/
    - MagicWishMonkey 10y ago
      Oh, didn't realize you could request early access. I'll check it out, thanks.
  - nojvek 10y ago
    Not being fully fledged IDE can be good and bad. I'm using VSCode for most things I use VS for. It's super fast to launch, great language extensions, debugger, integrated terminal and tasks. It's like sublime and visual studio had a baby. I have licenses for jet brains but I seldom ever use it. I may also be a bit biased since I contribute to VScode extensions. But I see that as a positive. I use a free editor that I can hack, look at its source and collaborate in the open.