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High value words like "Catastrophic", "feared", "disintegration", "irreversible" are all markers that indicates propaganda, not analysis. Cooler heads will pre

High value words like "Catastrophic", "feared", "disintegration", "irreversible" are all markers that indicates propaganda, not analysis. Cooler heads will prevail.

foldr 10y ago
Cooler heads have completely failed to prevail so far. I'm not sure why you think that comment is propaganda. Catastrophic things do happen sometimes.
- andybak 10y ago
  And even when they don't it doesn't invalidate the warnings. You want to avoid even a small risk of a very big negative outcome.
- calpaterson 10y ago
  > Cooler heads have completely failed to prevail so far. We are halfway through day 2 of a process that will take many years
andybak 10y ago
To understand Soros you need to be aware of his childhood in WWII Hungary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#Early_life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#Early_life His attachment to the EU is partly based on his belief that we are too sanguine about Europe's recent past being exceptional and non-repeatable. I don't think this is entirely unreasonable. Some commentators in the 1910's possessed a similar optimism.
- gadders 10y ago
  His early life in Hungary - you mean helping confiscate the property of his fellow Jews? http://sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-the-nazis-during-the-holocaust http://sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-t...
  - nooron 10y ago
    You mean what he did to survive the Holocaust as a literal child? My own grandfather survived survived the holocaust as a child by working in a Nazi munitions plant. My grandmother toiled in Auschwitz. Do you think their ways to survive were immoral too? You don't have to like Soros, but what he did to survive the Shoah is an absurd pretext to dislike him.
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- NetStrikeForce 10y ago
  > I don't think this is entirely unreasonable. Some commentators in the 1910's possessed a similar optimism. It is not entirely unreasonable. It is actually happening: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-eu-poster-reported-8206561 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-eu-poster-... http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/racist-incidents-feared-to-be-linked-to-brexit-result-reported-in-england-and-wales http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/racist-incid... https://www.facebook.com/sarah.leblanc.718/media_set?set=a.10101369198638985&type=3&pnref=story https://www.facebook.com/sarah.leblanc.718/media_set?set=a.1... This doesn't mean there's a racist majority in the UK, that would be somehow inaccurate. This just means the racists have received validation from political leaders and voters, making them feel enabled to attack foreigners. Next would be UKIP getting in charge of the country because [1] nobody from Conservatives will call article 50, [2] actually the Conservatives have big internal issues and [3] Labour who? Funnily enough, the Lib Dems might be now the only hope for a safe Britain (regardless of its political status towards the EU), which makes me very pessimistic about my future in this beautiful country full of lovely people.
leonroy 10y ago
Looking at European history over the past 500 years doesn't bode well for cooler heads. The European Union's main aim was to bring peace to the region. Economic growth and immigration were secondary aims. If the purpose of the union was peace then one can surmise that disintegration of the union will almost certainly lead to a greater probability of conflict. It might take another 50 years but that's often the case with incendiary points in history sparking raging fires many decades down the line.
- skoczymroczny 10y ago
  Not necessarily. While one of the main goals of EU was bringing peace to the region, it is hard to establish how important it is in bringing peace to the region. Might as well say NATO fills that role good enough, because there hasn't been an armed conflict between two NATO members.
zyx321 10y ago
Separatist sentiments are on the rise all over Europe. Unless the good folks in Brussels are willing to seriously rethink their role in shaping international policy, and potentially give up a lot of power, this whole project might very well come apart at the seams.

High value words like "Catastrophic", "feared", "disintegration", "irreversible" are all markers that indicates propaganda, not analysis. Cooler heads will prevail.

foldr 10y ago

Cooler heads have completely failed to prevail so far. I'm not sure why you think that comment is propaganda. Catastrophic things do happen sometimes.

andybak 10y ago
And even when they don't it doesn't invalidate the warnings. You want to avoid even a small risk of a very big negative outcome.
calpaterson 10y ago
> Cooler heads have completely failed to prevail so far. We are halfway through day 2 of a process that will take many years

andybak 10y ago

To understand Soros you need to be aware of his childhood in WWII Hungary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#Early_life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#Early_life His attachment to the EU is partly based on his belief that we are too sanguine about Europe's recent past being exceptional and non-repeatable. I don't think this is entirely unreasonable. Some commentators in the 1910's possessed a similar optimism.

gadders 10y ago
His early life in Hungary - you mean helping confiscate the property of his fellow Jews? http://sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-the-nazis-during-the-holocaust http://sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-t...
- nooron 10y ago
  You mean what he did to survive the Holocaust as a literal child? My own grandfather survived survived the holocaust as a child by working in a Nazi munitions plant. My grandmother toiled in Auschwitz. Do you think their ways to survive were immoral too? You don't have to like Soros, but what he did to survive the Shoah is an absurd pretext to dislike him.
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NetStrikeForce 10y ago
> I don't think this is entirely unreasonable. Some commentators in the 1910's possessed a similar optimism. It is not entirely unreasonable. It is actually happening: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-eu-poster-reported-8206561 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-eu-poster-... http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/racist-incidents-feared-to-be-linked-to-brexit-result-reported-in-england-and-wales http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/racist-incid... https://www.facebook.com/sarah.leblanc.718/media_set?set=a.10101369198638985&type=3&pnref=story https://www.facebook.com/sarah.leblanc.718/media_set?set=a.1... This doesn't mean there's a racist majority in the UK, that would be somehow inaccurate. This just means the racists have received validation from political leaders and voters, making them feel enabled to attack foreigners. Next would be UKIP getting in charge of the country because [1] nobody from Conservatives will call article 50, [2] actually the Conservatives have big internal issues and [3] Labour who? Funnily enough, the Lib Dems might be now the only hope for a safe Britain (regardless of its political status towards the EU), which makes me very pessimistic about my future in this beautiful country full of lovely people.

leonroy 10y ago

Looking at European history over the past 500 years doesn't bode well for cooler heads. The European Union's main aim was to bring peace to the region. Economic growth and immigration were secondary aims. If the purpose of the union was peace then one can surmise that disintegration of the union will almost certainly lead to a greater probability of conflict. It might take another 50 years but that's often the case with incendiary points in history sparking raging fires many decades down the line.

skoczymroczny 10y ago
Not necessarily. While one of the main goals of EU was bringing peace to the region, it is hard to establish how important it is in bringing peace to the region. Might as well say NATO fills that role good enough, because there hasn't been an armed conflict between two NATO members.

zyx321 10y ago

Separatist sentiments are on the rise all over Europe. Unless the good folks in Brussels are willing to seriously rethink their role in shaping international policy, and potentially give up a lot of power, this whole project might very well come apart at the seams.