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The trouble with that "democratically expressed opinon" was that a) it was a 2% majority b) 36% of eligible voters voted for leaving, and c) some proportion of

The trouble with that "democratically expressed opinon" was that a) it was a 2% majority b) 36% of eligible voters voted for leaving, and c) some proportion of those may well have either not undertood what they were voting for, or were misled. That, combined with the fact that things are currently going to hell in a hand basket (look at the FTSE250, comprised of business that make most their money within the UK, as opposed to the FTSE100 which doesn't), makes the out vote at best questonable right now. Be that as it may, I voted remain, but only beause now was not a good time to leave and nobody seemed to have a plan for exit. But I have faith in Britain - what I hope will happen is that we will accept freedom of movement, and that we will bloody well deal with it properly this time by shutting up the racists and investing in intrastructure, health and housing such that the cause of all the mess that led up to all this doesn't happen again. Fuck austerity this time - spend like there's no tomorrow, because frankly there might not be a tommorrow otherwise. Whethe that actually happens in my lifetime, I doubt, but hey oh.

GordonS 10y ago
> c) some proportion of those may well have either not undertood what they were voting for, or were misled. You could make the same argument about those that voted to remain. > That, combined with the fact that things are currently going to hell in a hand basket (look at the FTSE250, comprised of business that make most their money within the UK, as opposed to the FTSE100 which doesn't), makes the out vote at best questonable right now. Not really. It's only natural that there will be some short term downward moves in the markets due to uncertainty about the future. But we don't know what the medium and long term holds.
- DanBC 10y ago
  > You could make the same argument about those that voted to remain. Yes. Do you have any examples? Here's the one I'm going to keep using from the Leave campaign: http://imgur.com/indvx6a http://imgur.com/indvx6a
  - ProxCoques 10y ago
    I think he's referring to Leave's argument that the EU was not in fact acting in the best interests of the people. This is because it is "undemocratic" - undeniable facts such as you can't buy straight bananas, re-cycle a teabag or have the freedom to trawl all the fish you want from British waters were, for example, put forward as proofs.
  - GordonS 10y ago
    They have made many dubious claims based on questionable numbers and a large dose of speculation. We were bombarded with remarkably similar scaremongering drivel like this, just as we were during the Scottish referendum. - "Brexit 'could cause mortgage rises', says Cameron"[1] - "Every household would be £4,300 a year worse off by 2030"[2] - "Taxes would go up if we leave the EU"[2] - "House prices will fall by up to 18 per cent by 2018"[2] - "Inflation would be 2.3 percentage points higher if we leave"[2] - "Leaving the EU would wipe £32,000 off the average pensioner’s wealth"[2] - "Food bills would rise by an average of £220 a year"[2] [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36454017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36454017 [2] http://www.independent.co.uk/money/your-money/right-to-remain-what-will-happen-to-your-money-if-we-stay-in-the-european-union-a7083286.html http://www.independent.co.uk/money/your-money/right-to-remai...
- ProxCoques 10y ago
  Indeed - nobody knows anything about the future so its' a moot point. And agreed the UK's short-term econonomy is pretty much the least of its problems. But do you have a scenario in which it ends up peachy keen for the UK and Europe by about 2020? I sure as hell can't think of one.

GordonS 10y ago

> c) some proportion of those may well have either not undertood what they were voting for, or were misled. You could make the same argument about those that voted to remain. > That, combined with the fact that things are currently going to hell in a hand basket (look at the FTSE250, comprised of business that make most their money within the UK, as opposed to the FTSE100 which doesn't), makes the out vote at best questonable right now. Not really. It's only natural that there will be some short term downward moves in the markets due to uncertainty about the future. But we don't know what the medium and long term holds.

DanBC 10y ago
> You could make the same argument about those that voted to remain. Yes. Do you have any examples? Here's the one I'm going to keep using from the Leave campaign: http://imgur.com/indvx6a http://imgur.com/indvx6a
- ProxCoques 10y ago
  I think he's referring to Leave's argument that the EU was not in fact acting in the best interests of the people. This is because it is "undemocratic" - undeniable facts such as you can't buy straight bananas, re-cycle a teabag or have the freedom to trawl all the fish you want from British waters were, for example, put forward as proofs.
- GordonS 10y ago
  They have made many dubious claims based on questionable numbers and a large dose of speculation. We were bombarded with remarkably similar scaremongering drivel like this, just as we were during the Scottish referendum. - "Brexit 'could cause mortgage rises', says Cameron"[1] - "Every household would be £4,300 a year worse off by 2030"[2] - "Taxes would go up if we leave the EU"[2] - "House prices will fall by up to 18 per cent by 2018"[2] - "Inflation would be 2.3 percentage points higher if we leave"[2] - "Leaving the EU would wipe £32,000 off the average pensioner’s wealth"[2] - "Food bills would rise by an average of £220 a year"[2] [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36454017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36454017 [2] http://www.independent.co.uk/money/your-money/right-to-remain-what-will-happen-to-your-money-if-we-stay-in-the-european-union-a7083286.html http://www.independent.co.uk/money/your-money/right-to-remai...
ProxCoques 10y ago
Indeed - nobody knows anything about the future so its' a moot point. And agreed the UK's short-term econonomy is pretty much the least of its problems. But do you have a scenario in which it ends up peachy keen for the UK and Europe by about 2020? I sure as hell can't think of one.