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Did you just say that the hate of the remain was what made you vote leave in first place? Really?

Nursie 10y ago
Nope. I didn't vote leave, for a start. The shouting down of dissenting opinions by either directly or indirectly labelling them as racist, rather than taking them seriously or even trying to understand them, is one of the factors that has lead to widespread disillusionment with both Westminster and the EU. That's what I'm saying.
- vmateixeira 10y ago
  Ok, I got you now and appreciate your answer. But let's be honest.. What's that "taking our country back" all about? I'm not saying that this is all voters general opinion, but it sure looks like the majority's. I don't hear anyone coming up with plausible arguments and I really wanted to hear them.
  - Nursie 10y ago
    Oh I'm not going to claim there aren't racists and xenophobes around. I'm outraged that all leave leanings are characterised that way. There are many good arguments and many bad ones that don't involve hatred of foreigners. "Take our country back" would, to me, meaning regaining full legislative control. Yes, this includes immigration, and yes I would limit that based on skills and an annual quota. I don't believe for a second this is racist.
    - vmateixeira 10y ago
      Well, I do believe that's racism. Why else would you limit someone coming over their skills? And I'm not saying that feeling racist is abnormal. I'd just prefer people to cut the crap. And I'm actually curious about what would those skills be as I don't believe that's a reasonable approach..
      - Nursie 10y ago
        Your idea of racism is so wide as to be meaningless then. Sorry. I feel no need whatsoever to defend myself from accusations of racism based on support of the idea of quota and skill-based immigration.
        vmateixeira 10y ago
        Well, first of all, quota and skill-based immigration is 'leave'. I thought you mentioned you didn't vote to leave.. Anyway, it was your vote, I don't really care. My idea of racism, it sure is wide. Who is John to limit people from going wherever they want, while trying to make a living? Does the place where John was born makes him different or special somehow? I consider this racism. Isn't John going to end up making bricks same way as the migrant? It just sounds way more rational to let the market decide. If immigrants can't find a job in here I'm sure they will leave and move some place else. If they happen to find a job and contribute to our society, then this should mean they have their place here. They should be able to stay and live. And I'm sure there will be plenty of jobs, without the need for a specific skill set, that they will be willing to do. Jobs that many people in this country refuses to accept, because 'it's just £7 an hour' or because 'I didn't study for this' or whatever.

Nope. I didn't vote leave, for a start. The shouting down of dissenting opinions by either directly or indirectly labelling them as racist, rather than taking them seriously or even trying to understand them, is one of the factors that has lead to widespread disillusionment with both Westminster and the EU. That's what I'm saying.

vmateixeira 10y ago
Ok, I got you now and appreciate your answer. But let's be honest.. What's that "taking our country back" all about? I'm not saying that this is all voters general opinion, but it sure looks like the majority's. I don't hear anyone coming up with plausible arguments and I really wanted to hear them.
- Nursie 10y ago
  Oh I'm not going to claim there aren't racists and xenophobes around. I'm outraged that all leave leanings are characterised that way. There are many good arguments and many bad ones that don't involve hatred of foreigners. "Take our country back" would, to me, meaning regaining full legislative control. Yes, this includes immigration, and yes I would limit that based on skills and an annual quota. I don't believe for a second this is racist.
  - vmateixeira 10y ago
    Well, I do believe that's racism. Why else would you limit someone coming over their skills? And I'm not saying that feeling racist is abnormal. I'd just prefer people to cut the crap. And I'm actually curious about what would those skills be as I don't believe that's a reasonable approach..
    - Nursie 10y ago
      Your idea of racism is so wide as to be meaningless then. Sorry. I feel no need whatsoever to defend myself from accusations of racism based on support of the idea of quota and skill-based immigration.
      - vmateixeira 10y ago
        Well, first of all, quota and skill-based immigration is 'leave'. I thought you mentioned you didn't vote to leave.. Anyway, it was your vote, I don't really care. My idea of racism, it sure is wide. Who is John to limit people from going wherever they want, while trying to make a living? Does the place where John was born makes him different or special somehow? I consider this racism. Isn't John going to end up making bricks same way as the migrant? It just sounds way more rational to let the market decide. If immigrants can't find a job in here I'm sure they will leave and move some place else. If they happen to find a job and contribute to our society, then this should mean they have their place here. They should be able to stay and live. And I'm sure there will be plenty of jobs, without the need for a specific skill set, that they will be willing to do. Jobs that many people in this country refuses to accept, because 'it's just £7 an hour' or because 'I didn't study for this' or whatever.