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I suppose the NSA would penetrate that in a heart beat. So you would just brand yourself as proven liar - and end up having an even higher risk of being reject

by benevol 10y ago

I suppose the NSA would penetrate that in a heart beat. So you would just brand yourself as proven liar - and end up having an even higher risk of being rejected at the border. You see where this is going. If you use social media, you will have to state the truth. And you know where that leads to.

em3rgent0rdr 10y ago
But, people's online presence is rarely who they really are. Americans are free to create whatever online presence they want to.
- benevol 10y ago
  > Americans are free to create whatever online presence they want to. Which are all captured by Prism and other mass surveillance programs (google "Edward Snowden"). Nobody escapes the NSA.
  - riprowan 10y ago
    Point being the NSA is collecting a lot of noise.
    - benevol 10y ago
      > a lot of noise Which will simply be filtered out. Technology does not just evolve linearly.
      - maze-le 10y ago
        > Which will simply be filtered out These were the last words of the database admin before he went stark raving mad... But seriously "filtering out" is a goddamnd hard problem, if the dimensionality of your problem space is high enough. You are talking about filtering out sockpuppets like if they have a tcp-flag on it. Even the best trained Neural Network can only work as good as the input-training parameters, and classifying large texts in natural language is still one of hardest problems (even for humans).
        dandelion_lover 10y ago
        There are no time limits. The complexity may be a problem now, but later the collected data will reveal anything they want about you.
        TheSoftwareGuy 10y ago
        >There are no time limits. Yes there are, eventually you need to make a decision about whether to let this person into the country
        benevol 10y ago
        Here's how it works: Data (even encrypted data) is being collected and stored today. It is decrypted/made sense of whenever technology has reached the required maturity. At that moment, we become 100% open books. And you may feel that at the border (or elsewhere).
        hx87 10y ago
        By that time, open books may be less useful than the effort it takes to open them.
        xyience 10y ago
        You will never have the technology to decrypt aes256.
      - CaptSpify 10y ago
        Isn't one of these problems that these orgs are facing is that their signal-to-noise is too rough to work with? I thought they had info about the boston bomber, 9/11 hijackers, and san bernadino shooter, but didn't act on it because it was lost in the noise?
      - Retric 10y ago
        Technology evolves sub linearly over long time scales.

by benevol 10y ago

em3rgent0rdr 10y ago

But, people's online presence is rarely who they really are. Americans are free to create whatever online presence they want to.

benevol 10y ago
> Americans are free to create whatever online presence they want to. Which are all captured by Prism and other mass surveillance programs (google "Edward Snowden"). Nobody escapes the NSA.
- riprowan 10y ago
  Point being the NSA is collecting a lot of noise.
  - benevol 10y ago
    > a lot of noise Which will simply be filtered out. Technology does not just evolve linearly.
    - maze-le 10y ago
      > Which will simply be filtered out These were the last words of the database admin before he went stark raving mad... But seriously "filtering out" is a goddamnd hard problem, if the dimensionality of your problem space is high enough. You are talking about filtering out sockpuppets like if they have a tcp-flag on it. Even the best trained Neural Network can only work as good as the input-training parameters, and classifying large texts in natural language is still one of hardest problems (even for humans).
      - dandelion_lover 10y ago
        There are no time limits. The complexity may be a problem now, but later the collected data will reveal anything they want about you.
        TheSoftwareGuy 10y ago
        >There are no time limits. Yes there are, eventually you need to make a decision about whether to let this person into the country
        benevol 10y ago
        Here's how it works: Data (even encrypted data) is being collected and stored today. It is decrypted/made sense of whenever technology has reached the required maturity. At that moment, we become 100% open books. And you may feel that at the border (or elsewhere).
        hx87 10y ago
        By that time, open books may be less useful than the effort it takes to open them.
        xyience 10y ago
        You will never have the technology to decrypt aes256.
    - CaptSpify 10y ago
      Isn't one of these problems that these orgs are facing is that their signal-to-noise is too rough to work with? I thought they had info about the boston bomber, 9/11 hijackers, and san bernadino shooter, but didn't act on it because it was lost in the noise?
    - Retric 10y ago
      Technology evolves sub linearly over long time scales.