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why is this musical so popular? btw, Alexander Hamilton was never the president

by kyrre 10y ago

ecspike 10y ago
It's popular because it uses all types of musical styles including rap, R&B, and brit pop to tell Hamilton's story. The cast is also racially diverse, the only character that has a cast member with the same race as he is King George, a minor character. IMHO, it has resonated with people because it takes a stuffy topic and makes it more relatable to younger generations allowing them to see a bit of themselves in the founding of this country. It also goes against a prevailing thought that it's ok to "white-wash"(recast minority roles with white actors) but not the inverse. Also, the internet, this was the viral video that started it all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNFf7nMIGnE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNFf7nMIGnE Unable to score tickets to see the show, fans have coalesced around the really awesome soundtrack.
pja 10y ago
Because it’s very, very good? That isn’t any kind of guarantee of success, but it’s a damn good base to start from.
- kyrre 10y ago
  right. i just got the impression it was particular popular among the leftist crowd, e.g., HCR is now giving away 'free' tickets [1], and i thought it maybe had something to do with Hamilton's political views. [1] https://twitter.com/Communism_Kills/status/746859299104776192 https://twitter.com/Communism_Kills/status/74685929910477619...
  - pja 10y ago
    Well there are the pro-immigrant story notes, the race bending casting and so on - those things all played to social justice / left groups & probably helped win people over in marketing the thing (having the interest of the PoTUS does tend to help your production get noticed for instance). But none of that would have mattered if it wasn’t any good. It’s pointless to try and ram the founding fathers into any kind of modern left/right axis - 300 years ago is definitely another country & they did things differently there. Trust me, if you haven’t heard it, get a hold of the cast album and give it a listen. It’s worth your time.
    - RodericDay 10y ago
      I wouldn't say it's pointless. It needs to be done carefully, but it can provide some insight and fun reading: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/08/reading-hamilton-from-the-left/ https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/08/reading-hamilton-from-the...
  - btown 10y ago
    For those with Spotify, you can listen to the cast album here. The title track is arguably the most famous, but Yorktown (Track 20) is another excellent example of how the musical blends rap and musical theater tropes into an unforgettable combo. https://open.spotify.com/album/1kCHru7uhxBUdzkm4gzRQc https://open.spotify.com/album/1kCHru7uhxBUdzkm4gzRQc Re: your point about the leftist crowd, the Clinton campaign giving away tickets is notable because tickets now sell on the secondary market starting at $1000+. (And 100% worth it.) The show itself does make you sympathize for a character who consistently advocates for a strong central government (see Cabinet Battle #1, Disc 2 Track 2), but that's an afterthought in the context of how groundbreaking the rest of the show is.
  - Tenhundfeld 10y ago
    Eh, not really. I mean, I think (don't know) that Broadway shows and rap music are more popular on the left than the right. So, it's probably true that the show is more popular with liberals than it is with conservatives. But I don't think it has anything to do with the message of the show or Hamilton's politics. It's not really an overtly political show, other than a few jokes about immigrants being effective. That is, the show covers highly political material as it profiles Hamilton, a Federalist. But I don't think the show itself has a strong political message it's trying to propagate, at least not in relation to current campaigns. You could argue the show is making the statement that the founding of the country and the founding fathers are history that belongs to all of us, people of color, recent immigrants, white descendants of the pilgrims, etc. – and that history needs to be told in new ways and understood by everyone. But I think advocating better understanding of our history is something conservatives appreciate too, and in general, conservatives believe in self-reliance, accountability, etc., and should respect the self-made story of Hamilton. I think HRC is giving away tickets just to piggyback on the popularity of the show and its recent Tony wins. Also, seeing as HRC was a Senator from New York (and I think currently resides in NY officially), it makes sense for her to associate with a cultural phenomenon from there.
drzaiusapelord 10y ago
>why is this musical so popular? My wife loves it and I listened to parts of it and it has some really catchy rap. She never got into hip-hop culture, so I think this is the the big breakthrough for a lot of white middle-class and higher theater/musical people who previously found this stuff inaccessible. This is pretty much Kanye for housewives and grandmas. Its non-threatening and if there is anything controversial about it, its a manufactured controversy that's safe to partake in.
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- bertiewhykovich 10y ago
  I get the impression that "Hamilton" appeals to people who want to feel "down with the minorities" but get the vapors if they accidentally look at Section 8 housing.
epc 10y ago
The music and book are excellent. The music samples from a variety of hip/hop and rap from the 70s-80s and early 90s, hitting a core demographic of Broadway attendees (30-40 somethings). The book is a fairly decent summary of the biography by Chernow.

why is this musical so popular? btw, Alexander Hamilton was never the president

by kyrre 10y ago

why is this musical so popular? btw, Alexander Hamilton was never the president

It's popular because it uses all types of musical styles including rap, R&B, and brit pop to tell Hamilton's story. The cast is also racially diverse, the only character that has a cast member with the same race as he is King George, a minor character. IMHO, it has resonated with people because it takes a stuffy topic and makes it more relatable to younger generations allowing them to see a bit of themselves in the founding of this country. It also goes against a prevailing thought that it's ok to "white-wash"(recast minority roles with white actors) but not the inverse. Also, the internet, this was the viral video that started it all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNFf7nMIGnE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNFf7nMIGnE Unable to score tickets to see the show, fans have coalesced around the really awesome soundtrack.

pja 10y ago

Because it’s very, very good? That isn’t any kind of guarantee of success, but it’s a damn good base to start from.

kyrre 10y ago
right. i just got the impression it was particular popular among the leftist crowd, e.g., HCR is now giving away 'free' tickets [1], and i thought it maybe had something to do with Hamilton's political views. [1] https://twitter.com/Communism_Kills/status/746859299104776192 https://twitter.com/Communism_Kills/status/74685929910477619...
- pja 10y ago
  Well there are the pro-immigrant story notes, the race bending casting and so on - those things all played to social justice / left groups & probably helped win people over in marketing the thing (having the interest of the PoTUS does tend to help your production get noticed for instance). But none of that would have mattered if it wasn’t any good. It’s pointless to try and ram the founding fathers into any kind of modern left/right axis - 300 years ago is definitely another country & they did things differently there. Trust me, if you haven’t heard it, get a hold of the cast album and give it a listen. It’s worth your time.
  - RodericDay 10y ago
    I wouldn't say it's pointless. It needs to be done carefully, but it can provide some insight and fun reading: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/08/reading-hamilton-from-the-left/ https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/08/reading-hamilton-from-the...
- btown 10y ago
  For those with Spotify, you can listen to the cast album here. The title track is arguably the most famous, but Yorktown (Track 20) is another excellent example of how the musical blends rap and musical theater tropes into an unforgettable combo. https://open.spotify.com/album/1kCHru7uhxBUdzkm4gzRQc https://open.spotify.com/album/1kCHru7uhxBUdzkm4gzRQc Re: your point about the leftist crowd, the Clinton campaign giving away tickets is notable because tickets now sell on the secondary market starting at $1000+. (And 100% worth it.) The show itself does make you sympathize for a character who consistently advocates for a strong central government (see Cabinet Battle #1, Disc 2 Track 2), but that's an afterthought in the context of how groundbreaking the rest of the show is.
- Tenhundfeld 10y ago
  Eh, not really. I mean, I think (don't know) that Broadway shows and rap music are more popular on the left than the right. So, it's probably true that the show is more popular with liberals than it is with conservatives. But I don't think it has anything to do with the message of the show or Hamilton's politics. It's not really an overtly political show, other than a few jokes about immigrants being effective. That is, the show covers highly political material as it profiles Hamilton, a Federalist. But I don't think the show itself has a strong political message it's trying to propagate, at least not in relation to current campaigns. You could argue the show is making the statement that the founding of the country and the founding fathers are history that belongs to all of us, people of color, recent immigrants, white descendants of the pilgrims, etc. – and that history needs to be told in new ways and understood by everyone. But I think advocating better understanding of our history is something conservatives appreciate too, and in general, conservatives believe in self-reliance, accountability, etc., and should respect the self-made story of Hamilton. I think HRC is giving away tickets just to piggyback on the popularity of the show and its recent Tony wins. Also, seeing as HRC was a Senator from New York (and I think currently resides in NY officially), it makes sense for her to associate with a cultural phenomenon from there.

drzaiusapelord 10y ago

>why is this musical so popular? My wife loves it and I listened to parts of it and it has some really catchy rap. She never got into hip-hop culture, so I think this is the the big breakthrough for a lot of white middle-class and higher theater/musical people who previously found this stuff inaccessible. This is pretty much Kanye for housewives and grandmas. Its non-threatening and if there is anything controversial about it, its a manufactured controversy that's safe to partake in.

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bertiewhykovich 10y ago
I get the impression that "Hamilton" appeals to people who want to feel "down with the minorities" but get the vapors if they accidentally look at Section 8 housing.

epc 10y ago

The music and book are excellent. The music samples from a variety of hip/hop and rap from the 70s-80s and early 90s, hitting a core demographic of Broadway attendees (30-40 somethings). The book is a fairly decent summary of the biography by Chernow.